Feminists or fascists? Or fascist 'feminists'?

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Which feminism?

Choose one (or more):
Amazon, Anarchist, Atheist, Black, Chicana, Christian, Conservative, Cultural, Cyber, Difference, Eco, Equality, Equity, Fat, French feminism theory, French structuralist, Gender, Global, Individualist, Islamic, Jewish, Lesbian, Liberal, Lipstick, Marxist, Material, New, Postcolonial, Postmodern, Pro-life, Proto, Radical, Religious, Separatist, Sex-positive, Socialist, Standpoint, Third world, Trans, Womanism.

When an ideology has 40 different variants, one might question the existence of the ideology itself...

i think there is a confusion between feminist and misandrist.

I wouldnt want to live in a matriarchy either. Its the lilac ground inbetween, which is good.

The term "patriarchy" is getting to sound like a conspiracy-theory term, something like the "illuminati" or the "masons."

Are all males a part of the Patriarchy? Is it just cool males? Have any women been admitted into the Patriarchy?

No, you're wrong. This particular subset of feminists (is that OK, visagrunt - I would never try to imply that all feminists are like these a***holes) have one major thing in common with religious fundamentalists, whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim or whatever - they hate the idea that women can have the freedom to choose their own path in life. They hate the idea of women's liberty.

So, in that sense, you can see how the Faustian pact works.

You perhaps haven't cottoned onto the possibility that a lot of these 'feminists' really are religious totalitarians in another guise.

It's like saying that Muslims are going to control the world, or the U.S. Government is responsible for everything, or the Bilderbergers or the sodding Opus Dei control everything. It's just another paranoid conspiracy theory and a repository for twisted people to blame everything wrong.

If these feminists had a dialogue with religious fundamentalists on the status of women in the priesthood, divorce, abortion, premarital sex, contraception, and marriage it would expose a massive ideological chasm. It would quickly become apparent how little they have in common. This isn't a moral issue to feminists either, it's about female empowerment. Religious groups want these red light district businesses shut down because they promote immorality. Both groups are approaching this from different foundations but are making common cause because there is strength in numbers.

I know that but there are other examples I could give of groups banding together when they actually have very few shared beliefs (and they each find each other's beliefs repellent), but those people are not the subject of this thread.

Before feminism women were genuinely and systematically oppressed.

What about those feminists that are simply disguised anti-woman authoritarians (whether religious or secular) in another guise?

Patriarchy is the institution of male privilege. Unless you are actually denying that males are the empowered gender.

I guess they would fit into this category:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _feminisms

If not, then we have reached 41...

Most households tend to become matriarchal with time.

Example: Hyacinthe and Richard Bucket (prounounced Bouquet)

most governments and businesses lean towards patriarchy. Which becomes a problem if you are a woman or non conformist male.

I don't think that being male has given me any special privileges, beyond the sheer joy of possessing a penis.

Wrt. the OP, I think that legalizing and regulating prostitution (ie, routine STI screenings, the ability to form unions, etc) would be better for everyone. I do think that it's not good for *most* of the women who practice it, but keeping it illegal does not help them one bit.

Wrt. the 'patriarchy,' modern feminists are more likely to speak in terms of the 'kyriarchy,' or the whole network of unearned privilege. All other things being equal, a man is more likely to succeed in reaching his full potential than a woman, but due to the interacting networks of privilege an upper-class white woman is far more likely to succeed than a poor black man from the projects.

Some feminists are misandrist. Others are misogynist. Hopefully, most are neither.