Preachers of hate spread their violent word on British TV

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10 Feb 2013, 8:22 am

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Preachers of hate who spread their violent word on British TV channels
  • Muslim fundamentalists have used British television channels to preach in favour of violent crime and killing “apostates”.
The communications watchdog, Ofcom, has made a series of rulings against channels which allowed “inflammatory” material to be broadcast in breach of rules which forbid extreme opinions gaining a platform on British television.

The cases, disclosed today, include examples of an imam telling viewers that those who disrespect the prophet Mohammed should be killed, and another broadcaster saying homosexuals should be beaten and tortured.

The stations were found to have committed serious breaches of the broadcasting code by allowing the extreme opinions to be aired unchallenged.

This isn't a recent occurrence - it's been going on for years and years. I remember this stuff being aired quite happily and without sanction when I was a teenager.

As is said, these channels broadcast to a specialist audience on satellite TV - mainly the Pakistani Muslim community here in the UK. There are other channels that broadcast to Hindus and Sikhs from India here too and they broadcast general entertainment, soap operas, films, music videos and all the rest of it.

The Islam Channel is notorious for broadcasting this stuff endlessly. If Christian fundamentalists had said anything anywhere nearly as toxic as what these Muslim hate preachers day in, day out say Ofcom would have stamped on it almost immediately and most people would agree (the free speech purists might disagree though). Craven cultural relativism and political correctness has stopped them from doing anything about it. The problem that I see is that these hate preachers can, when questioned, simply point to the source of their exhortations.

I have many, many criticisms to make of Ofcom (not least on their ludicrously out-of-touch and puritanical attitude not only to pornography but to the 'babe stations' - Ofcom still won't allow hardcore porn to be broadcast on satellite TV, not even when someone has specifically subscribed to a channel using a PIN-protection system).

Thank goodness that a tiny little bit of common sense is beginning to creep in. I'm sure the usual fundamentalist bigots and their apologists will scream 'Islamophobia' though.



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10 Feb 2013, 10:14 am

So you're against giving these bozos time on television. I certainly agree with that. Why then are you in favour of giving fascist and soviet-communist parties air time? Isn't it the same principle?

PS: I thought the UK was more liberal than Portugal! Portugal was a deeply catholic country and now we have porn on TV, as long as we pay for it.



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10 Feb 2013, 10:44 am

I don't see what relevance this article has to Asperger syndrome. It is just another random bash at Islam from Tequila.

Is it actually possible for Ofcom to ban satellite TV channels that they view as extremist or distasteful? What if the broadcaster obtained their own satellite with a footprint covering the UK and the TV channel was not located in the UK? Satellite broadcasting is a legal minefield because footprints cover more than one nation. There was a Dutch satellite channel back in the 1970s and 80s that covered the UK and it did not have a UK broadcasting licence!



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10 Feb 2013, 10:45 am

ModusPonens wrote:
So you're against giving these bozos time on television. I certainly agree with that.


I'm not against fascist, Communist or Islamist parties existing and standing if they can articulate their beliefs without calling for murder. If they reach parliament, they should get the same privileges that other parties get (see Sinn Féin, a party that was the political wing of a terrorist organisation for many years). However, when they incite racial hatred or call for people to be killed, they must be stepped on. It is possible to be a fascist and to stay well within the law. Just ask the BNP.

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PS: I thought the UK was more liberal than Portugal!


Portugal is a more liberal and livable - and less paranoid - country than the UK in many respects.



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10 Feb 2013, 10:48 am

Arran wrote:
I don't see what relevance this article has to Asperger syndrome. It is just another random bash at Islam from Tequila.


Funnily enough, ex-Muslims and Muslims back me up on my position. Are they "bashing Islam" or are they saying that it's brilliant that Ofcom have finally got around to dealing with these hateful dickheads?

As I've said: if this was a neo-Nazi, racist or Christian fundamentalist grouping inciting violence and murder like these Muslim fundies they would have been blown out of existence years ago.

Oh, and this is the PPR board - so all political and religious topics are discussed here. You want to discuss Asperger's topics, there are other parts of the boards for that.



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10 Feb 2013, 12:58 pm

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Oh, and this is the PPR board - so all political and religious topics are discussed here. You want to discuss Asperger's topics, there are other parts of the boards for that.


I still don't understand why you post such a large quantity of politically charged articles that have no direct relevance to Asperger syndrome on this forum unless you are either a propagandist or have nothing better to do in your life. Do you work full time or do you spend all day looking at news and media sources when you aren't posting stuff on WP? I'm not sure if you have AS or not but if you are not a propagandist then you have a serious case of OCD.



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10 Feb 2013, 1:04 pm

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I still don't understand why you post such a large quantity of politically charged articles that have no direct relevance to Asperger syndrome on this forum unless you are either a propagandist or have nothing better to do in your life.


I post about news, religious affairs and politics in the relevant sections of the boards. The PPR and N&CA sections of the website are mainly for articles that don't directly relate to Asperger's Syndrome. You can consider it general interest. I do post about autism too if I find an article that interest me.

I notice you only have a pop at me when I criticise fundamentalist Islam, not when I criticise fundamentalist Christianity, the EU, or other political issues more generally. Have a soft spot for Islam, do we?

"A large quantity of articles" - what, four or five a day whilst browsing news websites?

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Do you work full time or do you spend all day looking at news and media sources when you aren't posting stuff on WP?


And at what point does how I live my life become any of your business? I don't ask people how they live their lives on here. Why so nosy?

I've told you - I am employed by Zionists that control the world and look like octopuses. They give me money from the pockets of dead Palestinian children (whilst they gorge on their blood and use their bones to make matzos) and they tell me about their love of controlling people's minds whilst guffawing like bad video game villains.

Oh, and by the way - today is Sunday.



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10 Feb 2013, 2:21 pm

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I notice you only have a pop at me when I criticise fundamentalist Islam, not when I criticise fundamentalist Christianity, the EU, or other political issues more generally.


I haven't had time to get round to the other issues yet although I'm anti-EU.

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And at what point does how I live my life become any of your business? I don't ask people how they live their lives on here. Why so nosy?


I rarely probe into other people's private lives but past experience has trained me to be a bit suspicious of things that appear out of the ordinary.



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10 Feb 2013, 2:38 pm

Most of my posts here on WrongPlanet have been in the PPR forum not on subjects directly related to autism. That is what this forum is for. It is for, um, PPR stuff.

And I agree with the O.P. that any religious group using TV to incite murder should not be allowed to broadcast that hate even if they claim it is in their holy book and therefore protected by freedom of speech or freedom or religion. And by the way, that is a big problem I have with Islam. I have not read the Koran and do not read Arabic, but from what I've heard there are many places in it that tell believers to kill non-believers.

Look at the human rights and women's rights issues of countries that are mainly Muslim. Even if their holy book does not incite such hatred and discrimination, it is very clear that many of their religious leaders and followers think it does. Christianity had a bloody past too, but does not have as much political power as it used to have compared to Islam.


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10 Feb 2013, 4:44 pm

TheBicyclingGuitarist wrote:
Most of my posts here on WrongPlanet have been in the PPR forum not on subjects directly related to autism. That is what this forum is for. It is for, um, PPR stuff.


Indeed.

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And I agree with the O.P. that any religious group using TV to incite murder should not be allowed to broadcast that hate even if they claim it is in their holy book and therefore protected by freedom of speech or freedom or religion.


It's not just any religious group per se, but also any religious speaker too. I would feel the same way if, say, the Real IRA had a programme that advocated murdering police officers, or if African Christians had a TV channel that had a phone-in show where they called for gay people to be beaten or killed.

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And by the way, that is a big problem I have with Islam. I have not read the Koran and do not read Arabic, but from what I've heard there are many places in it that tell believers to kill non-believers.


Islam specifically makes it a moral duty for Muslims to kill Jews. It also considers women inferior and simply a part of property to men. It considers all sex outside of marriage (including rape and even gang rape) "zina" and something that should be punished by stoning.

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Look at the human rights and women's rights issues of countries that are mainly Muslim.


I can show you a video that I had sent to me, taken in Somalia very recently, where al-Shabaab (the Somalian offshoot of Al-Qaeda) stone a young Somali woman to death. It goes into all the preparatory details before her stoning, and then you can see the blood on her face as Chapter 24 from the Quran is played in the clip as she is pelted with the stones.

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Even if their holy book does not incite such hatred and discrimination


It does.

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it is very clear that many of their religious leaders and followers think it does.


And there are hours and hours and hours of footage to back this up.

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Christianity had a bloody past too, but does not have as much political power as it used to have compared to Islam.


This is true, but I wouldn't entirely agree with you about Christianity. Christianity is still a repressive, intolerant force in all the countries it can still get away with it. Anti-gay sentiment (based on Christianity) is still rife in many Caribbean and African countries (see the Ugandan situation for a start), and there was that case just the other day where a woman was tied up, tortured, and burned alive in Papua New Guinea for being a witch.



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10 Feb 2013, 4:58 pm

Sic Pat Condell on them!

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10 Feb 2013, 5:07 pm

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Sic Pat Condell on them!


It would be brilliant if that man had his own TV slot. It would never happen. He did actually moot returning to the stage, but, erm, 'certain people' allegedly got wind of that and threatened him and any possible venues.



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10 Feb 2013, 6:29 pm

Some branches of Christianity are seriously crippling the USA now, and would cripple it even more if some Christians had their way. I am of course referring to the insane reality denial of those who are actively trying to sabotage the science education of America's schoolchildren. REALITY conflicts with their INTERPRETATION of an ancient middle eastern text written by and for a bunch of superstitious goat herders who knew very little about what we call science compared to what we know today.

Some well meaning but misguided and misinformed people think they are somehow helping our country and saving souls if they confuse schoolchildren about what science is and how it works. There are a LOT of people in this country who are incredibly misinformed about what actual evidence exists for evolution (for example) and how much they are being LIED to by sources they trust. Creationist web sites (and the most hypocritical liars of all at the Discovery Institute with their so-called "intelligent design" BS) ignore most of the evidence and distort or deny what they do not ignore.

I am not that much against the principle of "intelligent design" as long as one does not deny the physical evidence we share common ancestry with other living things. The universe itself may be intelligent and we are manifestations or local features of the universe. It's funny some people are willing to accept evolution of every other living thing EXCEPT humans. Pride? Stupidity? Insanity? Why? It sure the heck isn't for scientific reasons because ALL the scientific evidence supports evolution and it is contradicted by NONE. People have been lied to about this though.

Outside the USA, the most strident anti-evolution anti-science insane denial of demonstrable reality comes from fundamentalist Islam. Some nutjob in Turkey publishes beautiful coffee-table books (big and full of glossy color photographs) that purport to show problems of evolution but instead are full of distortions of the truth and out and out lies.

Islam has serious problems in its holy texts. It is about as far from being a religion of "peace" as one can get. Sure it is peaceful, as long as everybody is Muslim and agrees with suppressing human rights. In any religion though, it is the fundamentalist nut jobs who cause the most problems and misery for the rest of the world. Fundamentalists take everything literally because they are apparently too stupid or insane to understand metaphor. Metaphors are used a lot in spiritual teachings as the closest approximation we can get to expressing spiritual teachings using language. Even ancient peoples knew about metaphor and its purpose, but some never have and some still don't. The people who fly airliners into skyscrapers take metaphors literally. So do the idiots trying to outlaw evolution (which is just as stupid as trying to outlaw gravity).

The Christian fundies in the USA may end up doing more harm to our country by their rabid anti-science than the Muslim terrorists did on 9/11. That's my opinion anyway.


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10 Feb 2013, 6:33 pm

Tequila wrote:
ModusPonens wrote:
So you're against giving these bozos time on television. I certainly agree with that.


I'm not against fascist, Communist or Islamist parties existing and standing if they can articulate their beliefs without calling for murder. If they reach parliament, they should get the same privileges that other parties get (see Sinn Féin, a party that was the political wing of a terrorist organisation for many years). However, when they incite racial hatred or call for people to be killed, they must be stepped on. It is possible to be a fascist and to stay well within the law. Just ask the BNP.
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y'know hitler didnt call for anyone to be killed or exterminated at first either. All that came after he got elected.


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10 Feb 2013, 6:40 pm

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y'know hitler didnt call for anyone to be killed or exterminated at first either. All that came after he got elected.


You know that even though there was massive violence and intimidation from the Nazis before the March 1933 elections, that the NSDAP never actually won a majority, even though they were the largest party?

To be able to rule (and to have enough seats), he had to maintain his coalition with the DNVP. He also needed a two-thirds majority to pass the Ermächtigungsgesetz in 1933, and he only had 52% of the vote combined with the DNVP.

To pass the Ermächtigungsgesetz, he had to get a lot of the other parties onside to vote for it. There was an awful lot of debate between the parties, but it was eventually passed. What happened after that should be obvious?



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10 Feb 2013, 7:18 pm

You're making our case Tequila. If even normal parties colaborated in that what to say of fascist parties?