France to expel several radical Islamist clerics

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11 Feb 2013, 10:31 am

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France to Expel Radical Islamist Imams 'In Coming Days'
  • French government will be deporting several radical Muslim clerics in an effort to counter the rising tide of “global jihadism"
French Interior Minister Manuel Valls announced Sunday that the French government will be taking steps in the coming days to deport several radical Muslim clerics from the country in an effort to counter the rising tide of radical Islam and prevalent threat of “global jihadism.”

"Many radical preachers of foreign origin will be deported in the coming days." Valls said, addressing an international conference in Brussels, as reported by the Franch Le Nouvel Observateur.

“I do not confuse this radical Islam with Islam as practiced in France generally,” he said, “but there is a religious environment, there are groups who adhere to Salafism, which is a political process, which quite simply aims to monopolize, at the same time, associations and the educational process and which has taken a firm grip in the minds of many families.”



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12 Feb 2013, 6:10 pm

It is possible that those in charge are finally realizing that salafism and related ideologies are a menace to peace and solidarity within French society.

I think the interior minister has made the correct decision, although I have misgivings about the foreign policy decision to invade Mali, none of which would have likely been occupied by jihadists had we not engaged in such reckless policies against Libya.

It is people like Abu Qatada who should leave Europe, not well assimilated immigrants such as Imran Firasat.



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12 Feb 2013, 6:16 pm

petitesouris wrote:
It is possible that those in charge are finally realizing that salafism and related ideologies are a menace to peace within French society.

Yes - and it's liberal Muslims and ex-Muslims who (from what I've read) seem to be relieved that governments are finally adopting a tiny little bit of common sense. These people have wanted governments to clamp down on jihadis and stop being so ludicrously politically correct for a long time (remember that extremists gaining traction where they live hurts them far sooner than it hurts most of the rest of us), but the governments of Western Europe have been far too spineless for this, essentially creating problems with their inaction and servile attitude. Western governments need to stop courting community leaders and treating them as spokespeople for all Muslims, as usually they're allied with (or won't condemn) the nasties. They need to stop funding, encouraging and reinforcing the idea of a monolithic Muslim Community™ and stop treating it as though they're foreigners rather than fellow citizens. In fact, actually, scrap that - I think that treating people of differing interests, orientations and beliefs individually is a lot healthier for us that dealing with representatives of community (who, in my experience, often have their own interests at heart more than the people they claim to represent) is good advice anyway. I don't want to see some arsehole I've never voted for and can't remove represent me as an autistic person, and it pisses me off when these eejits claim that they speak for me (and claim a pretty penny out of it too). God knows how many blacks or gays or other people feel when others try and do that.

petitesouris wrote:
It is people like Abu Qatada who should leave Europe, not well assimilated immigrants such as Imran Firasat.

Agreed. If serious foreign criminals and hate preachers like Qatada were kicked out like the black sheep they are, European society would be better for it.

We desperately need as a society to stand up for our liberal, tolerant and democratic beliefs and we shouldn't think that doing so is racist. Indeed, these are common values that people of all faiths and colours can cleave to.



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12 Feb 2013, 10:46 pm

Tequila wrote:
petitesouris wrote:
It is possible that those in charge are finally realizing that salafism and related ideologies are a menace to peace within French society.

Yes - and it's liberal Muslims and ex-Muslims who (from what I've read) seem to be relieved that governments are finally adopting a tiny little bit of common sense. These people have wanted governments to clamp down on jihadis and stop being so ludicrously politically correct for a long time (remember that extremists gaining traction where they live hurts them far sooner than it hurts most of the rest of us), but the governments of Western Europe have been far too spineless for this, essentially creating problems with their inaction and servile attitude.


It is quite true that some of the most vociferous opponents of what is happening in enclaves with large populations of muslims happen to be people who left islam, for the same reason that some immigrants who came to France during the 1950's and 1960's, most of which were patriotic to their new country, have voiced concern about radical islam. The latter group of people came at a time when immigration was more selective and moderated. They were also expected to conform to essential norms.

In light of this, one could argue that PC is just as harmful to immigrants who want to participate in their new society as it is to us. This is also why I disagree with certain people who say that they do not care about what happens to immigrants who want to be immersed in a society that is better than the current setting of the places where they live just because they are not ethnic Europeans (the same people who wish for mass deportations). Even though I think immigration en masse is impractical and insensible, we should at least make sure that immigrants who are already here could benefit from being here and that their children are not raised in settings that are completely disconnected from us.