23 Feb 2013, 9:23 am
23 Feb 2013, 9:29 am
23 Feb 2013, 9:36 am
23 Feb 2013, 9:39 am
It will obviously be difficult to convince people that there only is self-perpetuation, because that is to tell them their illusion of a true purpose of their lives other than self-perpetuation only is an illusion. It might be perceived as offensive.
But what the h***, fighting for our survival is important enough anyway! 
23 Feb 2013, 9:43 am
qawer wrote:
It will obviously be difficult to convince people that there only is self-perpetuation, because that is to tell them their illusion of a true purpose of their lives other than self-perpetuation only is an illusion. It might be perceived as offensive.
But what the h***, fighting for our survival is important enough anyway!
But what the h***, fighting for our survival is important enough anyway!
Exactly
None of us would be here if our ancestors hadn't had sufficient self-interest
and as I don't want children, I evidently don't have enough self-interest to perpetuate my genetic line
I am more altruistic than self-interested and this has mitigated against me getting to pass on my genes
it's frightening to see it all proving itself!
23 Feb 2013, 9:44 am
nessa238 wrote:
qawer wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
qawer wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
A certain amount of self-interest is healthy in my opinion, otherwise you'd end up giving everything you had away and end up homeless
Exactly! I'd say that nature teaches us that self-interest in the end is the only thing that is healthy. That is the fact I find sad.
No you can have a mixture of self-interest and altruism in my opinion - it doesn't have to be one or the other
They've proved a certain level of altruism does occur, but it is mainly to ensure a person's genes get passed on
but can also be seen as looking out for the genes of your own species as opposed to those of other species so ultimately
in that respect it could still be seen as self-interest depending on how precisely you want to define it all.
I believe that's where it's heading -> in the end it really is self-interest.
One could surely have a mixture of self-interest and altruism...in that case you'll experience a mix of reward and punishment from nature...
Lol yes - I'm living proof of the punishment you get from being too generous to people who give little to nothing back in return!
It makes you feel devalued and depressed!
I think this is a major cause of depression - people not getting an equal amount back out from what they put in
Yes, depression is a common punishment from nature's side. Sorry to hear that
On the other hand, I really like you very much for being your generous you, you know
,,,,screw nature 
23 Feb 2013, 9:50 am
nessa238 wrote:
qawer wrote:
It will obviously be difficult to convince people that there only is self-perpetuation, because that is to tell them their illusion of a true purpose of their lives other than self-perpetuation only is an illusion. It might be perceived as offensive.
But what the h***, fighting for our survival is important enough anyway!
But what the h***, fighting for our survival is important enough anyway!
Exactly
None of us would be here if our ancestors hadn't had sufficient self-interest
and as I don't want children, I evidently don't have enough self-interest to perpetuate my genetic line
I am more altruistic than self-interested and this has mitigated against me getting to pass on my genes
it's frightening to see it all proving itself!
And that's the big problem. Your genes should be worshipped according to me. Nature is wrong.
I agree, it is frightening to see how everything proves itself in real life.
23 Feb 2013, 9:50 am
qawer wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
qawer wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
qawer wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
A certain amount of self-interest is healthy in my opinion, otherwise you'd end up giving everything you had away and end up homeless
Exactly! I'd say that nature teaches us that self-interest in the end is the only thing that is healthy. That is the fact I find sad.
No you can have a mixture of self-interest and altruism in my opinion - it doesn't have to be one or the other
They've proved a certain level of altruism does occur, but it is mainly to ensure a person's genes get passed on
but can also be seen as looking out for the genes of your own species as opposed to those of other species so ultimately
in that respect it could still be seen as self-interest depending on how precisely you want to define it all.
I believe that's where it's heading -> in the end it really is self-interest.
One could surely have a mixture of self-interest and altruism...in that case you'll experience a mix of reward and punishment from nature...
Lol yes - I'm living proof of the punishment you get from being too generous to people who give little to nothing back in return!
It makes you feel devalued and depressed!
I think this is a major cause of depression - people not getting an equal amount back out from what they put in
Yes, depression is a common punishment from nature's side. Sorry to hear that
On the other hand, I really like you very much for being your generous you, you know
,,,,screw nature Lol
It's no easy way to be I can tell you!
I've had to cut my losses with the person I was seeing as it was unremitting taking and giving nothing back!
No one but a fool would continue along that route but Christianity would have me doing just that!
23 Feb 2013, 10:52 am
23 Feb 2013, 10:54 am
23 Feb 2013, 11:18 am
Dragoness wrote:
qawer wrote:
It will obviously be difficult to convince people that there only is self-perpetuation, because that is to tell them their illusion of a true purpose of their lives other than self-perpetuation only is an illusion. It might be perceived as offensive.
That's why you've had so many people arguing with you on this thread.
Hi Dragoness,
I know
I'm only trying to be truthful to people. I'd also like we actually had this "true purpose" everybody, I just see it ain't that way.
23 Feb 2013, 12:49 pm
Redstar2613 wrote:
Caz72 wrote:
i think it is the wrong planet because everyone is very self-centered or just prefer people similar to them or they dont want to know you. i get a lot of this at work. i am not always on the same wavelength of other people this is why i don't have any friends but i don't care. the way i see it, theyre all weird. 
Of course people prefer someone similar to them... it's only logical. No one wants to have a long conversation about something they have no interest in. So of course you'll try to surround yourself with people that will share similar interests. That's not being selfish, it's choosing to have a good time with someone, instead of being bored to death.
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sorry, i think you misunderstanded me then. i was talking more about the people on the autistic spectrum that get rejected a lot in their lives all because the majority of people dont understand us, instead its all about conforming and following like sheep and people that stand out of the crowd get humiliated or rejected. its a shame the generel population dont understand about neuro-diversity, just expect everyone to be the same and like the same things.
23 Feb 2013, 5:43 pm
qawer wrote:
Dragoness wrote:
qawer wrote:
It will obviously be difficult to convince people that there only is self-perpetuation, because that is to tell them their illusion of a true purpose of their lives other than self-perpetuation only is an illusion. It might be perceived as offensive.
That's why you've had so many people arguing with you on this thread.
Hi Dragoness,
I know
I'm only trying to be truthful to people. I'd also like we actually had this "true purpose" everybody, I just see it ain't that way.
I see where your coming from. However, simply because you see the world this way doesn't mean everyone else does. And that doesn't mean your necessarily right. That doesn't mean your wrong, either - as Browncoat mentioned earlier, we just don't know, all we can do is make guesses.
23 Feb 2013, 6:13 pm
23 Feb 2013, 6:43 pm
23 Feb 2013, 6:51 pm
I prefer Thomas Hobbes description of life as "nasty, brutish and short"
It sums it all up fairly accurately for me
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