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22 Mar 2005, 3:44 pm

Vetivert, having made some assumptions about your politics... can you clarify where you stand on socialism and socialists?

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22 Mar 2005, 4:06 pm

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Errr.... yes..... Very cogent point.... well thought out, argued and delivered...... You impress me with your debating excellence..... (/me whistles "Bridge on the River Kwai" under /me's breath....)

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"isms" stink, whether it's racism, homophobia, sexism, ageism, able-ism, etc., etc. and anything-ists are just scared of the power of the groups they attack. i don't need to attack someone else's religion/race/sexuality etc. on "moral", or even spiritual, grounds, cos i'm confident about my own spirituality/race/sexuality etc. i WILL attack isms, though. until i die.


Testify sister, testify!! !! Can I get an Amen? :)

The only groups we have to fear are the groups who want us to fear!

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So you would attack CatholicISM?


To the very last ounce of breath in my cold, dead corpse.... Yes!

ascan wrote:
Vetivert, having made some assumptions about your politics... can you clarify where you stand on socialism and socialists?


Please, please, please, my dear old thing..... Lets not descend into dragging this discussion into the morass of petty semantics, shall we? Its not terribly dignified in such esteemed company, you know.... Brandy and cigars by the way?

Don't make me start quoting things from Wikipedia about "strawmen", now, eh? :wink:


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22 Mar 2005, 4:51 pm

It's a packet of Silk Cut and a quart of Thatcher's finest down 'ere ol' chap.

Strawmen? I thinks we scares the crows off the turnips with them.



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22 Mar 2005, 5:57 pm

:roll: :roll:

This place has rules.

Freedom of speech doesn't apply to internet forums. Learn that or leave.

I didn't think I would come across a member here I liked less than (censored), but congratulations.



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22 Mar 2005, 8:38 pm

ascan wrote:
It's a packet of Silk Cut and a quart of Thatcher's finest down 'ere ol' chap.

Strawmen? I thinks we scares the crows off the turnips with them.


Oh.... How frightfully quaint...... :lol: :lol:

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I didn't think I would come across a member here I liked less than (censored), but congratulations.


Ooooh - do tell, who? I'm dying to know..... (/me adopts affected air of innocence and ignorance for comedic effect..... :lol:)


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22 Mar 2005, 11:45 pm

No doubt America's freedom of speech policy says that in public places you can say and do whatever you want as long as you do not infringe on the rights of others to do the same. But, when you signed up for this forum, you willingly (read: BY YOUR OWN CHOICE) relinquished some of your freedom to adhere to the rules set by the owners of this forum. Too bad, you should have read the rules before you came on.

My suggestion is to look over the rules set by the moderators now. Like it, fine, stay. Don't like it, leave. We don't care.



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23 Mar 2005, 12:31 am

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My suggestion is to look over the rules set by the moderators now. Like it, fine, stay. Don't like it, leave. We don't care.

I care. It breaks my heart to see a member leave, disregarding how they behaved (or misbehaved). I have been rejected too many times myself.



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23 Mar 2005, 5:17 am

Tempers appear to be getting frayed, unsurprisingly. All I can say is that intolerance breeds intolerance; this is the reason I dislike the expession of intolerance and disrespect for others on this site. I don't want to see you leave chadmaster, all I ask is that you follow the rules like everyone else - perhaps looking at the comments on this thread you can understand why the rules are there. Respect for others goes in both directions - if you don't respect other people, it is unrealistic to expect them to behave with respect towards you. Can everyone please take a deep breath and restrain themselves from further attacks please. :(

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23 Mar 2005, 7:27 am

magic wrote:
RadioHead wrote:
My suggestion is to look over the rules set by the moderators now. Like it, fine, stay. Don't like it, leave. We don't care.

I care. It breaks my heart to see a member leave, disregarding how they behaved (or misbehaved). I have been rejected too many times myself.


Thanks for the support, but rejection is so common for me that it no longer bothers me, i have been ostracized from everything and everyone at school, i have given up on social interaction, it doesnt work



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23 Mar 2005, 8:01 am

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Thanks for the support, but rejection is so common for me that it no longer bothers me, i have been ostracized from everything and everyone at school, i have given up on social interaction, it doesnt work


I understand that you have strong beliefs but the thing about social interaction is that people don't have to agree on everything and by trying to force your opinions on others all you do is alienate them. You have to accept that other people's beliefs/opinions are just as valid as yours and that telling people who don't think the same as you that they are going to burn in hell is hardly likely to go down well.


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23 Mar 2005, 8:02 am

Also you need to learn not to confuse a difference of opinions as rejection- it isn't- people will never agree on everything so you need to just learn to accept the differences and move on.


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23 Mar 2005, 10:41 am

thechadmaster wrote:
Thanks for the support, but rejection is so common for me that it no longer bothers me, i have been ostracized from everything and everyone at school, i have given up on social interaction, it doesnt work

I don't believe this, although I think I can understand you. I can't agree more with what Mel has written. What she described was the mistake that I was doing for most of my life. It took me more than 30 years to realize this, and I still find it counterintuitive and difficult to think in the "others are sentient" way.

Chadmaster, this board is not for exercising freedoms or spreading one's beliefs, it is for socializing and being accepted. When I come here, I accept other members, and hope that they will accept me. These "members" include you.



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23 Mar 2005, 7:48 pm

thechadmaster wrote:
Thanks for the support, but rejection is so common for me that it no longer bothers me, i have been ostracized from everything and everyone at school, i have given up on social interaction, it doesnt work


I doubt that's strictly true now, is it? I've been walking this godforsaken earth and getting rejected by all and sundry twice as long as you have, and it still hurts every time.... No use in denying it, matey..... :(

magic wrote:
I don't believe this, although I think I can understand you. I can't agree more with what Mel has written. What she described was the mistake that I was doing for most of my life. It took me more than 30 years to realize this, and I still find it counterintuitive and difficult to think in the "others are sentient" way.


Never a truer word said - I still can never accept that anyone else can have a valid alternative viewpoint to my own (well, it stands to reason, dunn'it? I am always right after all :wink:), but you just have to try to accomodate their views, excrutiating as it may be for you......


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23 Mar 2005, 8:30 pm

I thought chad was a stirrer, an agent-provocateur, he reminds me of another fanatical catholic aspie I met once on another site. He does get up people's noses, but he's entertaining too.

I don't take offense at chad, gawd, no need to be tho thenthitive!

I'm wondering at this 'newish' site phenomenon of people crying 'Uncle!' and claiming to be 'offended', surely many of them are capable of stating their objections in a way which just adds to the debate, or the interest of the thread.



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24 Mar 2005, 12:55 am

thechadmaster wrote:
GOD Bless America


That offended me.