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Islam has the inbuilt handicap of the death penalty to anyone that leaves their religion or who criticises it. (See Sharia).

I have listened to discussions with many ex-Muslims and some of the more liberal Muslims, and they cannot seriously see a way that Islam can be reformed whilst leaving the central theology of the thing intact.


I'm not apologising for Islam by any stretch. I am simply saying it is the inevitability of organised religion of this kind and magnitude. I have a great issue when it comes to prevailing discriminatory attitudes. In the words of Optimus Prime ''Were we really so different?''



I attack both. I don't like any reliigion. All organised religion to me is a stain on humanity, and all of them have ridiculous (to me) beliefs. The idea of a totalitarian, all-seeing God is so ludicrous to be that it's almost beyond description. I don't care what kind of God it is - it's even more ludicrous than believing in Santa Claus, and that is a particularly egregious belief to start with.

None of these Gods mean anything to me. I only fear the violence of the religious mob, because of what they can do to me. The 'gods' of this world have no effect on me.

Christianity is a ludicrous concept - and it is still a colonialist ideology, to this present today. I am not proud of this. I can mention other religions at this point, but this is whataboutery. The Reformation and the Enlightenment brought many good things to us as a suitably enlightened species, and as a people: it taught us, eventually and at long last, to treat religion - the Christian religion in our case - with the contempt it deserves.

I hope, I dearly hope, that I can see the same gift that we were given to us Christians as to happen in Muslim countries. And I'm sure it will happen (probably it will start in the West, whenever we get around to stopping mass immigration from Pakistan). Countries like Iran and Egypt, and many of the Arab countries seem like amazing places to visit. I want to see and experience the culture, the food and the music of all these places, without the influence of religion.

I don't like Christianity. I don't like Islam. I don't like any religion that impedes upon the liberty of free people.

The central doctrine of Islam is precisely the problem. It rest on the literal truth of the Q'ran and the inerrancy of the Prophet (pus and blisters upon him). As long as the ravings of a child molester and lunatic are taken as "gospel" there is no cure in sight.

ruveyn

While discussing the treatment ofArabic Muslim women found guilty of adultery, specifically, some well-publicized deaths by stoning, a neighbor ( from Jordan, and a Muslim) told me that the Q'uran does not demand death as punishment, but rather a caning or whipping.

In our view, still extreme, but the point is that the 'literalists' are NOT following the letter of their own law.

Sylkat

It is not that simple, unless they belong to the very small fraction of Muslims known as Qur'anists.

Sharia law in (Sunni) Islam has two main sources, the Qur'an and the Hadith (the words and deeds of Muhammad, documented through narration by pious Muslims).

Stoning for adultery is mandated according to the most authoritative Hadith collections: Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.

Furthermore, according to the Hadith, Muhammad *reinstated* stoning as a penalty for adultery in Medina during his lifetime after the Jewish inhabitants of the city had abandoned this practice...

Oh... and...


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I doubt the Egyptian Muslims (82 percent in favour of stoning for adultery) got the scripture all wrong, as Egypt is probably the contemporary intellectual centre of Islam.

Although it's also true that Bin Laden's partner in crime, Zawahiri (I'm certain I misspelled this) is Egyptian, is educated (a pediatrician), and he and his fellow Egyptian terrorists are in many circles considered to be the actual brains of Al Qaeda. It's not uncommon for a culture to have two contradictory faces. Case in point - Germany in the past had been both a beacon of intellectualism, the arts, and liberal idealism, and yet, alongside that was authoritarianism, jingoistic nationalism, and anti-intellectualism.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

If this is true then Islam clearly have many ancient methods of social control in their ideology. When that is the case it is expected that the religion/ideology modernizes to modern day standards, like what Christianity has done. A religion is bound to have a lot of baggage left from when it was constructed. Secularization is also an expected positive progression. I don't know if that is relevant for Islam at this point. (Since its followers are very attached to the religion in their state of being poor, marginalized, discriminized and war ravaged in the Arab countries. With little social progression.)

Then it is the question of taking the religion literally or not. Moderate(?) muslims most definitely will be critical of their religion and intergrate it into modern society and its rules. So how important is the central theology, can't you ignore or look at it critically, and not follow it, if you are an enlightened muslim? Many religions are violent and obscure in its original, literal form, and the Arab world may have been (because of reasons I don't know) more of a brutal place than others, but can't muslims look past it? The cultic traditions of religions aren't/shouldn't be necessary anymore, how do you get the people to disattach themselves of it?