Vicious 'anti-Zionist' (ha ha) suspended from UKIP

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I'm sure she'd be very welcome in any, ahem, 'anti-Zionist' left-wing party.

She's a racist piece of trash and UKIP are very glad to be rid of her, if the rumours are true.

That's the sort of crap you expect from BNP candidates. This is the problem with UKIP trying to field as many candidates as possible from a small membership base - there are a few loose screws in there. Maybe she should look at Respect, I suspect some of their voters may share her views.

*sigh* not this s**t again.

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I'm sure if you asked nicely, they'd send you her phone number.

don't look at me.

Theres far less ground between the real nazis and Tequila's party than anyone of my political persuasion.

The only reason they have their nose so far up Israel's backside is to flick their middle finger to the 'muzzers'.

You don't think there are plenty of reasons to prefer Israel over the regimes that surround her (and particularly Fatah and the genocidal Hamas, who both regularly call upon Nazi stereotypes of Jews)?

If I was a Muslim living in the Middle East, I'd choose Israel as a country to live in, particularly if I was a woman.

No, we just all hate Muslims. Every last one of them. All 1.5 billion of them. They're all psychos.

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The woman in question has been kicked out of the party altogether now.

In fact, Farage has already admitted that this type of thing may happen more than once with their councillors. UKIP are organisationally a very small party (I've met most of the North West leadership and senior people in only a few short meetings).

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Right, you'd made 2 fallacies here.

1. Which of Israel's neighbours subscribes to national socialism? I can't wait for an answer to this one.

2. If the west hadn't riled them in the first place, we wouldn't be having any grief from them. Ever since the British mandate of Palestine, a pandora's box has been opened. We were having no problems with the Islamic world up until that point.

I think UKIP holds a contempt for them because they aren't your target voter market, yes.

How can you explain the Muslim violence and antagonism in Sweden, Norway, Denmark and other countries?

Islamic literalism has an aggressive antipathy to everything that is not Muslim. It wishes to dominate everything - including genuinely liberal and moderate Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, atheists. All religion is for Allah.

The West is just the most immediately challenging power to Islam. They would attack the Chinese if they were preventing Muslim dominance.



We have a number of members in UKIP who are Muslim. You'd be surprised. I don't feel any antipathy or contempt towards them.



Phrased poorly, but which of Israel's neighbours supports her right to exist?

I'm not interested in Scandanavia. I am talking about the context of UKIP, and its policies. However if i must humour you on this then the 'gang of imperialist western nations' has made it easy for Islamic patriarchs to demonise the 'infidels' because most vulnerable or uneducated muslims would be ignorant about the difference between Brits and Norwegians, in much the same way that poorly educated working class Brits would scarcely care about the difference between someone from Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

Yet, until the mandate of Palestine we had a sustainable, symbiotic co-existance. You keep ignoring this important point.

That is why the Chinese have the right attitude? I really wish the west would follow their example. Maybe after a few generations the animosity would heal a little bit.

Turkeys voting for Christmas, frankly. I am guessing the tiny minority of muslims you have are the upwardly mobile types. You know, the suited and booted business men, dripping with extortionately priced jewellery, driving around in a jaguar with the latest 4G phone in one hand. Those with personal interests vested in the right wing agenda.

I think its a little more than plain animosity or contempt though. Its opportunism. UKIP, like all other sociopathic reactionary organisations plays hardball with orthodox Islamism because it realises it is a 'soft target' identifying that it creates a resonance with the 'white van man' brigade of the indigenous masses by appealing to fear, blind nationalism and base ignorance.


You can't do it, because you are talking out of your hoop as usual.

Israel is an asymmetrically advantaged military complex. The 'burden of recognition' therefore lies on Israel to acknowledge the autonomy of the dispossessed indigenous population. Not the other way around.

Yes - the Jews were second-class citizens across the Arab world, and especially in Palestine. They were dhimmis. Just as Christians were dhimmis.



You're aware that much of the Palestinian populastion that fled during the War of Independence actually settled in Palestine due to the Jewish settlement in the Mandate due to the new-found prosperity that Jews brought?



Why is that? Because we want to treat Muslims like everyone else?



You mean people who actually want to become successful in life? The Muslim member I met is a very personable and busy chap. If he thought UKIP was full of anti-Muslim hatred, he wouldn't have anything to do with us. I am absolutely sure that if anyone in the meeting I was in started being abusive, their feet would not touch the ground. I liked him for more reason than one. (Not saying why, but it's due to a childhood crush I had.)



The envy in your post is palpable.

He wore a suit, and had a pint of Foster's in one hand. Perhaps you'd like to report him for breaking Islamic rules on alcohol?

I didn't see a mobile phone.



More ad hominems and baseless slurs. God, you must really be miserable.



Translation: "It's perfectly alright for people to butcher Israeli citizens because their government's army is physically stronger."



Chinese Muslims keep their heads down and integrate. I'd happily have a drink with them. They don't seem to be any bother to anyone. If they started turning jihadist, the PRC government would unleash their fury upon them (and probably the civilian population too). I'm not saying that's right - and they would be extremely brutal and repressive - but you must understand that Islamists hate everyone and everything that is not Islamic.

Well you are again ignoring a couple of important historical points there. First and foremost, the second world war had caused the dispersion of peoples throughout that general region, trying to get away from British-German battles. Secondly, Palestine at that moment in time was being carved up by the UK so they had barely a chance to organise the infrastructure of a nation state. Its almost as if they did the work for the Zionists, and went 'here you go'. Making it look as though the newly found prosperity was somehow down solely to the influx of Jews.


Well hold on there a moment. Treating everyone like everyone else implies some level of egalitarian process. Which we all know is deeply rooted against conservative process.

The 'utility of inequality' is a cornerstone of your party ideology and you are kidding yourself if your pretend otherwise.



Not a bit of it. I find such people in the conventional business circles to be highly fake, vapid pretentious people concerned with the acquisition of asinine trinkets than knowledge or progress. Not to mention they tend to be insufferable pricks that whine when they don't get their own way. Its probably the aspergers but I wouldn't wish their life for me, even if I had the funds to make their life a reality for me.

Whether or not he chooses to abide to his upbringing is his own business.

Just a realist.

Again you are lying to yourself to pretend that Israel should be immune to either criticism or the repercussions of it own actions.

Or that it should recieve disproportionate sympathy in relation to its own casualties.

I understand that we weren't being bombed by them in our own country, right up until the point the UK carved up Palestine.

Possible post-hoc fallacy? Prior to the end of Mandatory Palestine, fundementalist, literalist Muslims did not have the technology to "wage war" on the West as effectively (and it's quite limited effectiveness even now, let's remember) as they can.

Either way, I think it is pretty hard to deny that literalist Islam (and literalist views of most other religions, or religious bigotry, or extreme bigotry of many other extreme spins on world views such as Marxism or nationalism) is aggressive and seeks to dominate using force if need be. It's intellectually dishonest to deny that there is any problem with fundamentalist religion. Dispute whether it is the most important factor, dispute whether it is as widespread a problem as claimed, dispute to what extent it is a problem, sure, but don't say that dislike (or worse) of the Western world in the Islamic world is solely down to the actions of Westerners.

...speaking of nazis...

No. It's to appease the mainstream media moguls who are overwhelmingly pro-Zionist in order to obtain more media coverage for UKIP. Nick Gri££in played the Zionist card for the BNP a few years ago and it seemed to work for him and the media started treating him more seriously. The way things work in the UK is that if you are critical of Israel then if the media doesn't demonise you it ignores you. If you are sympathetic of the Zionist cause then the media is willing to give you positive coverage. There has been concerns in the Green Party about the amount of media coverage Nigel Farage is given in comparison to Caroline Lucas despite her being an MP and Nigel Farage isn't.