29 Apr 2013, 8:12 am
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I suspect that yes - aspies will be at risk to being radicalized in terrorism, because... aspies are at risk to be radicals (the obsession with a single issue and the black-and-white thinking will do that, if applied to politics). And from political radicalism is only a small step to be willing to use violence "for the cause".
Many comments in these thread have counter-argued that apies will be difficult to brainwash, that are less subjected to peer pressure, etc. but I question the assumption that terrorists are brainwashed or victims of peer pressure - if anything, in western countries, the brainwashing/peer pressure is to be a law abiding citizen, and to vote in moderate parties in regular elections; it is extremism that requires independent thinking. And if you look to the usual history of radical groups (both peaceful or violent groups), they seem to live in a state of perpetual split (like ETA spliting in "ETA 5" and "ETA 6"; and then "ETA 5" spliting in "Militar ETA" and "Political-Militar ETA"; or the splits between Official IRA, Provisional IRA, Real IRA, Continuity IRA, Irish National Liberation Army...), who seems to indicate that the defining characteristic of many terrorists (and extremist in general) is less "being brainwashed" and more "being incapable of making compromises" (this inability to compromise, first leave them to radical groups, and then makes they to leave the group and create a new at the first small disagreament).
[TPE2 - possibly an Aspie, with a special interest in politics, simpatizer of extremists political groups since 15 y.o.]
Many comments in these thread have counter-argued that apies will be difficult to brainwash, that are less subjected to peer pressure, etc. but I question the assumption that terrorists are brainwashed or victims of peer pressure - if anything, in western countries, the brainwashing/peer pressure is to be a law abiding citizen, and to vote in moderate parties in regular elections; it is extremism that requires independent thinking. And if you look to the usual history of radical groups (both peaceful or violent groups), they seem to live in a state of perpetual split (like ETA spliting in "ETA 5" and "ETA 6"; and then "ETA 5" spliting in "Militar ETA" and "Political-Militar ETA"; or the splits between Official IRA, Provisional IRA, Real IRA, Continuity IRA, Irish National Liberation Army...), who seems to indicate that the defining characteristic of many terrorists (and extremist in general) is less "being brainwashed" and more "being incapable of making compromises" (this inability to compromise, first leave them to radical groups, and then makes they to leave the group and create a new at the first small disagreament).
[TPE2 - possibly an Aspie, with a special interest in politics, simpatizer of extremists political groups since 15 y.o.]
I agree
You've got to shrug off the general social conditioning to become a terrorist
Most people are unable to do this and many don't even realise the extent to which they have been conditioned by society
in the first place
They just look forward to getting the next ipad-type gadget like nice little well-conditioned consumers
Governments have nothing to fear when peoples' main interests are possessions and watching kittens do silly things online
- they absolutely love it when people are this brainless!
I've got a lot of admiration for anyone who wants to challenge the status quo, to improve society but I don't think killing people is the right way to go about it
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29 Apr 2013, 8:13 am
Anomiel wrote:
Nothing say that aspies are but "vulnerable to esoteric movements owing to a strong need to belong" is one of the clinical features of schizoid personality disorder, but that's still far away from being violent 
I think it's unlikely that autistics would be more prone to that than NTs, probably the opposite. You make it sound like there are terrorists desperate to get aspies (or anyone!) to join and I doubt that's happening.
I think it's unlikely that autistics would be more prone to that than NTs, probably the opposite. You make it sound like there are terrorists desperate to get aspies (or anyone!) to join and I doubt that's happening.
I have not made it sound like that Anomiel, that is clearly how you have misinterpreted it. I shouldn't be surprised since you regularly misinterpret my posts and overreact.
29 Apr 2013, 8:26 am
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29 Apr 2013, 8:56 am
whirlingmind wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
Nothing say that aspies are but "vulnerable to esoteric movements owing to a strong need to belong" is one of the clinical features of schizoid personality disorder, but that's still far away from being violent
I think it's unlikely that autistics would be more prone to that than NTs, probably the opposite. You make it sound like there are terrorists desperate to get aspies (or anyone!) to join and I doubt that's happening.
I think it's unlikely that autistics would be more prone to that than NTs, probably the opposite. You make it sound like there are terrorists desperate to get aspies (or anyone!) to join and I doubt that's happening.
I have not made it sound like that Anomiel, that is clearly how you have misinterpreted it. I shouldn't be surprised since you regularly misinterpret my posts and overreact.
I wouldn't be surprised you would misinterpret that as overreacting as you are the best at that. I've been polite even when you get things wrong, something you're not very good at.
There you had your answer anyway. It's schizoids that do that. You thinking of joining a cult?
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29 Apr 2013, 9:07 am
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whirlingmind wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
Nothing say that aspies are but "vulnerable to esoteric movements owing to a strong need to belong" is one of the clinical features of schizoid personality disorder, but that's still far away from being violent
I think it's unlikely that autistics would be more prone to that than NTs, probably the opposite. You make it sound like there are terrorists desperate to get aspies (or anyone!) to join and I doubt that's happening.
I think it's unlikely that autistics would be more prone to that than NTs, probably the opposite. You make it sound like there are terrorists desperate to get aspies (or anyone!) to join and I doubt that's happening.
I have not made it sound like that Anomiel, that is clearly how you have misinterpreted it. I shouldn't be surprised since you regularly misinterpret my posts and overreact.
I wouldn't be surprised you would misinterpret that as overreacting as you are the best at that. I've been polite even when you get things wrong, something you're not very good at.
There you had your answer anyway. It's schizoids that do that. You thinking of joining a cult?
Please advise me where specifically, I have got something wrong Anomiel. If I have I will correct it.
If you don't feel that "You make it sound like there are terrorists desperate to get aspies (or anyone!) to join" is an overreaction then you are even more over-emotional than I believed. That is neither what I said or implied and I really don't get how you misinterpret my posts so badly, you are the only person who displays this type of reaction to my posts. Even Verdandi (who was in opposition to my views in that thread) disagreed with your strange interpretations in the cat thread recently.
Finally, you (again
) have clearly not read all my posts on this thread before blurting out such responses, nor appreciated/understood the intention behind my thread if that is your view. There is no point me discussing this any more with you as it's getting increasingly difficult to get either logic or analytical abilities from you.
And FYI, when I had my AS assessment, the clinician also tested me for psychological disorders and conditions and ruled them all out. I am safe in the knowledge therefore that I do not have any such disorder...I wonder how much you can say the same. Insult me all you like, sticks and stones and all that. You are just showing yourself up.
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29 Apr 2013, 10:02 am
MjrMajorMajor wrote:
XFilesGeek wrote:
They couldn't even get me to join the debate team in high school.
I'm not really a "joiner."
I'm not really a "joiner."
You can't make any blanket statements and be correct, but I would guess this would sum it up for most of us. I definitely don't think we should shy away from discussion. Discussion isn't going to flesh out the boogeyman, and we aren't "letting the terrorists win". The day this website exists to broadcast a politically correct veneer is the day it plummets into the inconsequential.
Exactly. I applaud you, additionally for saying succinctly what I have waffled on about to get across.
29 Apr 2013, 10:10 am
29 Apr 2013, 11:17 am
29 Apr 2013, 11:32 am
I think anyone who is carrying around a lot of anger and/or hate is probabl more prone to be radicalized to the point of terrorism.
Autistics do have a few more reasons to end up carrying around hate and simmering anger.
Radicalized?? Yeah, that could happen to me pretty easily. I am, actually, kind of a radical leftist anyway. I'm so far left, I have more in common with the right than the mainstream left.
Radicalized into terrorism?? Not so much. I have this stick-up-my-ass moral problem with killing people. Especially innocent bystanders. 
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