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07 May 2013, 3:39 am

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It appears to me that the term "neurotypical" is often used as an allegory for Society. There is no neurotypical per neurology; never has been; never will be. That is not the way of nature.


Yes... And No... There is no medical definition for Neurotypical. BUT we use the word to apply to NORMAL people... and there is a definition in the dictionary for that.
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normal - adj.;
a : of, relating to, or characterized by average intelligence or development
b : free from mental disorder : sane
c : characterized by balanced well-integrated functioning of the organism as a whole


And it is the way of nature...in the wild, when dealing with social creatures, those that demonstrate deviant behaviors are either shunned or killed.... NTs, being the social creatures that they are... do the exact same thing... Unlike those that have the same neurological function, the shunned get it... and fall into line, making another baseline NORMAL person... Since we don't get the nuances of the social behaviors... we end up farther and farther out of the circles...

I think that is why we end up so angry, for the most part... at least a large part of it...

But, to a certain extent... Society = NT... because they run society


The original idea behind NT was to use another word for non-autistic that did not suggest that people with autism were not normal.

I think one would come across a significant number of people identifying with the term Autistic suggesting they have above average intelligence, are free from mental disorder (sane), and are a balanced well-integrated functioning organism as a whole.

Your point on social creature nature is a valid one and observed in nature. Human Primates are certainly not exempt, where the "weak fish" in the "Aquarium" are nipped at when puberty comes and the competition for mates starts.

The Laws and rules of society, negate the natural impact of what would occur in "the wild" for the "weak fish swimming in the Aquarium'. It is not society that is the enemy, overall, it is social animal nature, that "weeds" out those perceived as different.

Given that context, per religious analogy "Jesus" per what is described in "that book", is a major proponent of "neurodiversity" among those that are not robust in social or physical prowess.

It is no surprise that art most often portrays "Jesus" as an androgynous "slight" male.

It is strength of logic and innovation in adaption to adversity to survive among those that are not as likely to reproduce that may be responsible for much of the cultural edifice that we view around us.

I tried to capture that positive message of acceptance and self value, in a post on my blog I recently made at this link below on Autism and the Nautilus, for deep thinkers such as yourself. :)

http://katiemiaaghogday.blogspot.com/20 ... tilus.html


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07 May 2013, 3:56 am

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It appears to me that the term "neurotypical" is often used as an allegory for Society. There is no neurotypical per neurology; never has been; never will be. That is not the way of nature.


If you're including me in that, it doesn't make any difference. Society is run by NT's, it's laws, cultures and norms are by and for NT's, so the science or statistics of it doesn't come into it.

That's just pointless semantics.


To clarify I was not making a value judgement.

I was discussing the different ways people use the term, Neurotypical through time since the phrase was coined in the Autism Community in expression of metaphor and literal use.

Per metaphor anything goes.

Per science and literal meaning, and medical definition per neurology anything doesn't go. There is no measurement per neurology that can currently differentiate people on the spectrum, as a whole, from people off the spectrum, whereas there is among many other neurological differences.

In part, for this reason, the director of the National Institute of Mental Health, Tom Insel, is dismissing the DSM5 as an effective tool for research to determine actual neurological causes per brain disorder instead of Mental Disorder, in which Autism is technically currently classified under general classification of Mental Disorder per DSM5 classification, then sub-grouped under neurodevelopmental disorders, then further subgrouped as Autism Spectrum Disorder.

This groundbreaking move in the science of mental health is described in words in the recent article below from the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/healt ... ay.html?hp

It is also described in the video linked below from Tom Insel, who also directs the Interagency Autism Coordinating Committee, whose commitment to the welfare of all people on the spectrum have gained him positive respect among people across the spectrum, including some people who take part in what is described as a "neurodiversity movement".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeZ-U0pj9LI


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07 May 2013, 4:02 am

@Ferraluce, I identify as soupcan too. :)


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