Cuba: Maybe We Should Give Them a Chance

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That actually wasn't photoshopped

http://blog.sfgate.com/stienstra/2013/0 ... e-gallery/

Looks like a Red winged Blackbird.

Guatemala under US influence was a deepening nightmare. It was the test ground for everything that plagued US-dominated Latin America. A CIA coup with US air support, disappearances, death squads and it escalated to genocide over there. They burned their own former vice president and foreign minister in the Spanish embassy in the name of fighting "terrorism".

As US-trained dictator Carlos Arana Osorio, aka, The Butcher of Zacapa, put it in 1971, "If it is nessecary to turn the country into a cemetery in order to pacify it, I will not hesitate to do so."

Must be one sorry hawk to allow another bird to take a free ride.
I must say, though, that was very creative piloting on behalf of the redwing blackbird.

That's called counter-insurgency, not terrorism even though the two may use some of the same "tools".
Remember the expression: You've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette.

If your side does it, it is "counter-insurgency." If another side does it, it is "terrorism."


You haven't yet deployed your favourite emoticon in this discussion. You must feel that you are losing.

On one night, 30 members of a political party disappeared and the US ran the whole thing and part of the scheme was to make sure that there were denials to make this a real "disappearance" in order to terrorise people further. However, as the bodies were thrown out of a helicopter into the sea some washed ashore...

These techniques were exported to Argentina for the Dirty War, all through the same channel. Dan Mitreone was known for transporting torture implements in his diplomatic pouch when on a diplomatic mission to Montevideo in Uruguay. In fact, the US devotion to torture is nothing new, it's just more overt now.

I cannot believe any reasonable person can justify what happened in Guatemala. It was ruled genocide believe it or not, and done with Reagan's support and sure Rios Montt tried the old "the Americans were for it so it must be good" argument but though that might work at the International Criminal Tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia it was not accepted in Guatemala.

By the way, after 10 years of representative democracy in Guatemala, the CIA got rid of it with its 1954 intervention, the first of the two presidents of this less repressive era Juan Jose Arevalo had admired the FDR presidency and after what had happened in 1954 he said "The wings of the Third Reich were broken and conquered but in the ideological dialogue Roosevelt lost the war. The real winner was Hitler".

And there has never been any communist backed genocide or terrorism in countries like that around the world?

This is not really about communism; there is no doubt atrocious crimes have been commited on it's name, and I'm sure there has been communist backed genocide and terrorism in the world. But one wrong doesn't justify another, and I'm also pretty sure there has been US backed genocide and even terrorism around the world.

Also, the person whose eggs get cracked and the person who gets the omelette are not always the same one.

You can fight fire with fire and that's what this is.
Really, how much more explanation does it require?

The fight to maintain a brutal tyranny in Guatemala in the name of anti-communism though motivated by a desire for a handful of people to take everything and rule over the others to the point of slavery was one motivated by total evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_terrorism

There is a notice on top of this wiki entry. The neutrality of this article is disputed.


Except for North Korea and Cuba where are the communists these days? Even China is no longer "red".

ruveyn

Elliott Abrams did try making intellectual justifications for maintaining brutal oligarchies in Central America by force by speaking of the need to maintain "traditional societies" and their "traditional poverty" and that this was a good cause. The USA really is the leading factor of backwardness in the world. Look what they have done in the Middle East with their alliance with Waha'abbi Sa'udi Arabia.

Yeah, well I think the handiwork of Communism's red terror is well enough known around the world with or without that article.

Again... communism did horrible things, yes. Fighting fire with fire as you say, and tolerating and funding and supporting genocide and mass murder against genocide and mass murder is justifiable (but have those crimes been committed against the USA?) would make the second country go down to the same level as the first, assuming it was in a higher level on the first place.
The thing is, in many cases the war against communism was an excuse to make US citizens feel better, while the real motivations were economical or political, and the US intervened against countries who had done nothing against the USA besides, in an example, daring to ask US multinationals to *gasp* pay taxes and give fair wages to their workers. During the XX century, the USA government was very proactive at backing US multinationals with their military, and countries had to either comply or risk getting intervened.
And to talk a bit about communism, as there were some cases where the US intervened because a country had democratically elected a president with communist tendencies, did they have the right to do that, and put in power US friendly brutal dictatorships instead?