Would an autistic communist nation survive longer than a NT?

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03 Jun 2013, 4:19 pm

Under communism the ruling class serves the working class so which class is higher?

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03 Jun 2013, 4:33 pm

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Under communism the ruling class serves the working class so which class is higher?

If you think that those who have the control aren't going to do what they can to make their own life more comfortable, regardless of the plight of the working class, then you need to do some serious rethinking.

And even if the communist working class did pull the communist rulers down to the lowest level, then so what? Is it better to be at the bottom with everyone else with no chance to better your circumstances? Especially when that bottom is substantially lower than the bottom in other countries where people can and do benefit from their own work?

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03 Jun 2013, 4:38 pm

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Under communism the ruling class serves the working class so which class is higher?

What planet are you from? In every instance where a "communist" state was set up, the people who ruled somehow fared better than the workers they "served".

In the late and unlamented Soviet Union the big wigs had dachas and chauffered cars. The workers had far less. Most hardly had a pot to pee in.

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04 Jun 2013, 5:30 am

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I dont see myself as an empathless lone wolf. I see myself as a logic dominated being, and from logic views communism is functioning. Its only NTs desire for ape-behaviour, fighting for Alpha positions and such nonsense that let our societies people choose to buy themselves nonsense to increase in the ape hierarchy instead of helping someone else,

You are living on The Planet of the Apes. 99 percent of the human race is NT. Get used to it.

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I am living on and part of a planet of apes that is developing since existence. 2500 years some outdated people meant that slavery is part of the normal society, so the revolutioners shall get used to it, 100 years ago woman were ownage and according to some outdated people that would always be so and women should get used to it, 150.000 years ago we had to let our old people left to die when they couldnt run any longer as fast as the rest, ...

We change, so why not believe that we are able to change for the better.

Sure there will be no worldpeace suddenly tomorrow. But if lots of generations are willing to work on their little brickstone, maybe in some dozend generations people will be able to build that worldpeace from all the little brickstones.

I refuse to believe, that humanity is doomed to be s**t. ^^

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14 Jun 2018, 2:46 am

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Seeing as Marxist communism requires the abolition of the state, the USSR really isn't a good example at all.

I believe Autistics would actually do quite well in a Syndicalist economy. (Such as the CNT-FAI's revolution during the Spanish Civil War.)
The abolition of private property, automation of labour, and availability of resources would mean that Autistics would be able to pursue their special interests without the setback of the socially manipulative nature of capitalism. Instead of being told by an owner what to do, you would participate in union meetings to determine what is to be done at your place of work. And using labour notes instead of debt notes means that people who are self-employed will have a much easier time sustaining themselves.

I'm a pretty hardcore Anarcho-Syndicalist.

Do you mean National Syndicalism as in Fascism or Syndicalist as in Anarcho Syndicalism?

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18 Jun 2018, 12:09 pm

androbot2084 wrote:

Under communism the ruling class serves the working class so which class is higher?

I guess the working class. So workers a rulers.

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18 Jun 2018, 12:19 pm

I have no idea. My own country, however, is supposedly communist because we have "free" health care.

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lostonearth35 wrote:

I have no idea. My own country, however, is supposedly communist because we have "free" health care.

I think Canada could be MORE socialist tbh. I'm on AiSH and that covers things like dental care and prescriptions, which are things Canada's healthcare system normally doesn't cover. I think everyone should have those things covered.

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22 Jun 2018, 10:00 pm

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There would be no need to buy things if you could just take them.

You are advocating theft? Did I get that right?

No surprise. A socialist is a thief with a fancy justification.

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Property is theft

Property is not theft because you need property to live on and if you buy something it should be completely yours not someone elses or part ownership.

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22 Jun 2018, 10:01 pm

RushKing wrote:

I think an autistic commune could last as long as it can defend itself from state power.

Why do you say that?

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22 Jun 2018, 10:27 pm

Dylanperr wrote:

RushKing wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

RushKing wrote:

There would be no need to buy things if you could just take them.

You are advocating theft? Did I get that right?

No surprise. A socialist is a thief with a fancy justification.

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Property is theft

Property is not theft because you need property to live on and if you buy something it should be completely yours not someone elses or part ownership.

1. Property =/= possession

2. The phrase "Property is theft" refers to Proudhon's rejection of private property in the essay: "What Is Property?". One can reject private property and still retain respect for personal property.

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22 Jun 2018, 10:34 pm

Dylanperr wrote:

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I think an autistic commune could last as long as it can defend itself from state power.

Why do you say that?

Nation states have a track record of attacking autonomous regions.

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24 Jun 2018, 3:44 am

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I have no idea. My own country, however, is supposedly communist because we have "free" health care.

You can still be Capitalist and have universal healthcare.

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24 Jun 2018, 12:59 pm

look at the 20th century and explain the me how any form of communism is good or even works.

it cant, it wont, it'll only get millions killed.

a communist-like system can only work with a post-scarcity society. even then, you dont want it.
capitalism works, flawed though it be.

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24 Jun 2018, 1:04 pm

Grimdalus wrote:

As said above would a communist nation full of autistics survive longer than a NT one? Why or why not? Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.
I believe if we can collectively work as a team, working with our strengths we will be able to outperform an NT nation. The Austitic communist nation shall be abbreviated to the ASR(Austitic Socialist Republic) for easy forum reference.

Nope. The entire basis of Communism is to make the workers into slaves. You cannot build a modern nation on slavery.

The Soviet Union worked to a degree as long as it was agricultural. The more modern it became, the less well it worked. By the early 1980s, it was in a serious decline with little or no chance of improvement possible.

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24 Jun 2018, 5:17 pm

kokopelli wrote:

Grimdalus wrote:

It's a self-defeating concept. And we've seen that, over and over. We can see it now in N-Korea and a few other nations.

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