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rixxar12
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05 Jun 2013, 1:38 pm

SteelMaiden i can relate to your feelings, and even worse, i have a higher IQ, according to statistical studies im a genius but i dont feel that way.

The last IQ test i took, was the past year and i got 143 wechler, that is aproximately 169 in Cattell that is the usual scores.

I cant do anything of those thing you do, im borderline dyscalculalia, this is due to my OCD, and everytime i do sometime, i have to check at least 5-6 times doing it by different methods to check if is right, and sometimes is wrong and i cant see it(dyslexia).

I even have to check sometimes, things like 5*6 or 12+89, other times i can do them fast, but not as fast as a calculator, and i indeed have problems with procedural knowledge like you, i forget things really fast if im not interested, i cant even walk right.

The things you are saying, doesnt have anything to do with intelligence, im sorry but i dont think, adding and multiplying numbers really fast mean you are intelligent, not even getting into a good university.

I can tell you, Paul lutus, was a hobo by the time he was 12-14, he managed to work for the NASA and created some spacecraft parts,then shifted to programming some important things for Apple, he never had formal studies, and you can see on his page that is Arachnoid.com, he is a very intelligent person.

Intelligence for me, is the act of creating new paths of pattern to solve problems,basically thinking different.

You have really good abilities, but those abilities are not really related to intelligence, if you think adding and substracting numbers really fast is related to intelligence, go and see savants that have those abiities, im not saying that their abilities are bad, they are amazing, but they can not do the simplest algebra problems, lets not even mention about differential geometry or lebesgue integration.

The fact that you learned to program really early, is related to intelligence, kinda like a prodigy, i skipped two years, and by the time i was 9, i was already studying some basic calculus and physics, due to bullying by my classroom acquaintances, i lost all interest in studying and was just going to school for the sake of going, and just retaked the learning by the time i graduated of school, i barely graduated of school, and even failed a year, but in those 6 months, i could remediate my deficits and got into the 2 best college in my country.

Now people call me "Talking Encyclopedia", my Asperger obsessions are really random, right now im finishing neuroscience, before that one i was learning polymer engineering and law, and im about to start to review quantum physics again, there are new things now, and i studied that like 2 years a go.

You are a very intelligent person, you dont need to know how intelligent you are, you are just putting yourself barriers, just learn as muchs as you can and enjoy your life.

Apologize my bad english, im not mainly english speaker.



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06 Jun 2013, 8:38 am

I have no idea what my iq is but it is probably up there. I scored in the 99th percentile in all my standardized tests all through school despite having dysgraphia and dyscalculia. I could grasp some concepts as if I already knew them and was just being reminded--like it was already in my mind. For example, at the job I do, I had no training, the documentation for the software I was using was useless and nobody else around here knows or cares how it's done. But I figured it out in 5 minutes. :D

I couldn't write legibly until I was 12 I can memorize long passages from books but can't remember to shave my legs or bring my lunch to work. I can't converse intelligently because my mind goes blank in front of other people. Most people who know me think I'm a ditz


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07 Jun 2013, 4:46 pm

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I have an IQ of 160 as recorded by a clinical psychologist. However I don't think my intelligence is evenly spread at all.


Mine was tested in the 145+ range. I don't know the exact number, as I was never told and the records no longer exist. However:

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I can beat a calculator with my mental arithmetic in certain cases (such as multiplying any two numbers like 78 x 56, or finding out if a number is prime). I got into Cambridge University (although I'm not there now because I hated it there and it made me ill) and even managed to impress the interviewers (apparently). I taught myself how to program in Visual Basic on a computer at the age of 9. Etc etc.


I have been able to beat calculators with my mental arithmetic as well, although I think it has to do with how quickly the person operating the calculator is working. The last time I did this, the friend who was using the calculator started calling me "Rain Woman."

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However I cannot follow a cooking recipe. I cannot follow road directions if someone gives them verbally to me. It took 20+ attempts for me to learn how to change bed sheets. I am in supported housing because I struggle to live independently. I cannot handle phone calls. If I were faced with customer services in a shop, or a bank, or the post office, I would not know what to do, and the stress of it would make me walk out immediately. I have to be reminded to do things that others would do naturally. I can't even open a bank account.


And then this. I went over a cooking recipe for cookies with my therapist and I actually started to get frustrated and angry at the seemingly contradictory/incomprehensible directions.

I can change bedsheets, but I find other things a bit complex. Like cleaning anything, doing the dishes, I lose track of everything that is not within immediate viewing distance, and I also have to be reminded to do things that others would do naturally.

I have, however, opened a few bank accounts and I have done customer service work - I got fired for being too rude to the customers, however.

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Is it possible that my academic genius (sorry if that sounds like narcissism) has "taken over" such a large part of my mental energy that simple tasks such as cooking and posting a parcel are not delegated any energy by my brain and therefore become prohibitively difficult? Is it an unusual distribution in skills?


I think this has been answered already, but I think it's just you have some really strong cognitive skills and some really weak cognitive skills. In my case (which is admittedly not identical to yours, but seems similar in some ways) I have some fairly strong cognitive skills and some fairly weak cognitive skills as well, and I can't really use the former to compensate for the latter, although many seem to think that being able to do so is the expected pattern. I don't think it's because my strengths have claimed most of my cognitive ability so much as it's because my brain is wired so that some things are harder - sometimes much harder - than other things. That I have this huge gap between the things that are measured as IQ and the things that are described as adaptive or daily living skills. Even skills that I have managed to improve (like hygiene) still show a large discrepancy.

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I have had times in my life where, without effort, I have been able to do calculations such as 563 divided by 4591 in my head in less than a second and beat a calculator in how many decimal places I can produce. However I cannot do this all the time and it is involuntary as to when I am able to do this. Most of the time my mental arithmetic is "highly superior" but not 100% savant level.


I used to use mental calculations to help me sleep. And I understand having times where it is very fast and nearly flawless and other times where it is still good but not nearly as good. I don't think I was ever able to divide 563 by 4591 in less than a second, though.

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I also have multiple neurological and psychiatric conditions, is it possible that all of this, and my AS, and my high IQ is intertwined into one neurodevelopmental difference?


My answer for myself is "Possibly." This is the kind of thing that hopefully new research funded by NIMH will cover, since it is stepping away from DSM categories and trying to look beyond diagnoses and instead focus on how brains actually work.



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07 Jun 2013, 5:04 pm

i have learning difficulties as well as autism, but the only thing i seem clever on is catching people out or being able to suss people out. my husbands best friend even said 'we better not piss her off again'.

i remember once two men we knew were going to have a boxing match and one was big and muscly and the other one was small and boney. my husband and his friends were going to put a bet on it because they all knew they would win the bet if they betted on the big one for winning against the small one. i told everyone 'you better not do that, i wouldnt do that if i were you'. but nobody listened. then on the day they all found out that the big muscly man tried to lose the boxing match on purpose and had already put a bet on the small man, so to make all the people betting on him lose. i just said 'i told you so' and got my bet.

thats the only thing i seem ironicaly clever in. otherwise i am very intellectuly slow and just average people seem really clever to me when i compare myself to them.



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07 Jun 2013, 5:37 pm

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i have learning difficulties as well as autism, but the only thing i seem clever on is catching people out or being able to suss people out. my husbands best friend even said 'we better not piss her off again'.

i remember once two men we knew were going to have a boxing match and one was big and muscly and the other one was small and boney. my husband and his friends were going to put a bet on it because they all knew they would win the bet if they betted on the big one for winning against the small one. i told everyone 'you better not do that, i wouldnt do that if i were you'. but nobody listened. then on the day they all found out that the big muscly man tried to lose the boxing match on purpose and had already put a bet on the small man, so to make all the people betting on him lose. i just said 'i told you so' and got my bet.

thats the only thing i seem ironicaly clever in. otherwise i am very intellectuly slow and just average people seem really clever to me when i compare myself to them.


That seems like a pretty good ability, i dont have anything good like that, one of my interest is psychology, specially human behavior and social psychology, and even though i read, and read, and learn a lot, i cant do those things people do by instinct, this is unfair.



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07 Jun 2013, 5:53 pm

I can "read" people in a manner that is often accurate, often reveals their actual motives rather than their projected motives, and is unlike how most people read people.

It seems to involve pattern recognition and behavioral comparisons, and isn't vulnerable to the "benefit of the doubt" bias in which people assume the best out of a kind of social obligation. Once I perceive something in a person, it is not easy for me to give up that perception. The times I've tried have turned out to be big mistakes.

It's not perfect or infallible, but I trust it.



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13 Jun 2013, 1:01 pm

Thanks everyone for the input. Sorry I can't type more but I'm obsessed about neuropharmacology right now and I cannot stop reading about it. My dinner was a cup of soup made from powder and boiling water. All I want to do until midnight tonight is read neuropharmacology.

You have all raised some very salient points.


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