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Feralucce
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20 Jul 2013, 5:39 pm

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With people on the lower end of the spectrum I would say definitely yes. On the higher end, maybe. In the end it doesn't matter too much, genetic engineering and cybernetics will be able to give everyone the chance to have our strengths without our weaknesses.


I will respectfully disagree... it would, honestly, be EASIER for the higher functioning Autistic Spectrum Individuals to adjust... those who are lower functioning would have a much harder time of adjustments... regardless of whether or not the problems are resolved, the habits will be almost, if not completely, impossible to break...

The problems of autism are one thing, but as we live our lives, issues that cause excessive cognitive dissonance also cause brain damage and psychological trauma... these things, due to the fact that they are not linked directly to the mechanisms of autism, would remain after a person is cured of their autism... The upshot of this is that, very little would change.


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24 Jul 2013, 9:24 am

It can not be cured however it can be improved though.



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24 Jul 2013, 12:58 pm

At this moment, it cannot be cured...


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24 Jul 2013, 4:32 pm

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THe bigger question, honestly, is SHOULD it be cured...

any prenatal screening reeks of eugenics... any cure that that functions before the egg implants on the uterine wall makes us Genetically Modified Organisms...

Any Cure that is applied post birth needs to be considered carefully... as we have these difficulties, even if the faulty wiring is is corrected, we will still be habitual in our behaviors, and as such, a cure would do little for most of us.




With people on the lower end of the spectrum I would say definitely yes. On the higher end, maybe. In the end it doesn't matter too much, genetic engineering and cybernetics will be able to give everyone the chance to have our strengths without our weaknesses.

why definitely yes?
we/LFAs deserve to have a choice in our own lives to and in fact we are given this as much as possible when we live in residential care;its hard to understand why the autistic spectrum always sees us with lower respect,its possible am misunderstanding the point people are trying to make but whenever have come across this point; it feels patronising and soul destroying; exactly why do we need curing?

we are all different and with support can do good things, such as contributing to society.
for example,had been taught over a year using easy read and symbol methods how to do basic incubation and chick hand rearing and with support have raised several flocks successfuly,had incubated and hand reared the best friends of mine;two year old chickens in avatar,am currently raising a flock for the parent of a fellow resident and getting paid for it! being an ex service user of theirs was even offered a large non pay back grant by the national autistic society recently to turn it into a high supported business but it isnt possible to set up in a residential centre.

am not suffering at all though did used to be when was in a terrible service four years ago because was completely misunderstood,neglected,physicaly,mentaly,sexualy and sensory abused,had over heard staff mentioning that am a burden on them and fellow service users most days and was even given blades and told to kill self with them;she just got suspended for that.
please tell why am in need of a cure when am not the problem..
#the problem is society views us with such little respect and thinks we live pityful lives because that is how so many parents see it,they do not understand that we have a different view of our life and what it is like when we are in the right service.
#we are completely ignored by the disability discrimination act, when it comes to adapting services and places for us,many of us are unable to access the community because of this.
#they keep taking away support funding of ours making our lives more limited than they shoud be, am supposed to be on two to one ratio support, but the council has now told support staff they shoud just get a crelling houdini harness instead so am permenently strapped into the wheel chair when out; so they can stop using two staff, what takes the piss even more is they refused to fund the harness even though they have said we need to buy it-aparently because it wont be used for other service users. :evil:
#those of us over twenty five lost our access to special college some years back with the white[?]green[?] paper because it is assumed at this age point we have either improved enough to go into mainstream college or we can be left to rot in some crap council funded day centre,it is an absolute disgrace that they can say they did this out of equality for disabled people.
#they took away specialist sheltered work shops which were the only form of work some of us will ever be able to have-again,they did this in the name of equality,where is our equality? :evil:

this is what we are working against,this is the social model of disability,everyone on the spectrum shoud get familiar with it.


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24 Jul 2013, 6:03 pm

Well said.


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25 Jul 2013, 1:41 pm

Perhaps a society can grow and realize that it is so judgmental on those who are different. Should be cured? It is slippery slope to eugenics. I going be honest with you right now the people of this world are not ready for genetic modifications. This means it easy to create something like the super race of old Nazi Germany. Aryan race where Hitler try to have everyone blond hair and blue eye as the master race. Wipe out bunch people who are consider inferior in the death camps. I know it is 60 years old but there is still human rights violations all over the world based upon religion, ethnicity, and gender. This segmentation of different populations leads me to conclusion that human society as it is now is not ready for the science. Yes I know companies will jump at chance to create designer baby.

I think would be better to accept people who are different work with the strengths and not exploit the weaknesses. I mean we all have something contribute and who wants to be a clone or Borg.



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25 Jul 2013, 5:35 pm

Feralucce wrote:
Well said.


Agreed.


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25 Jul 2013, 5:54 pm

What a lot of people seem to misunderstand about Autism is that an Autistic brain is warped and unhealthy, and should be "fixed" in it's own right.

The truth for a lot of Autistics is that their brains are perfectly healthy (unless diagnosed with another medical problem that affect's the brain's basic functions). They can learn and adapt in their own way, be it the way society expects us to, or in our own way which works for each individual.


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25 Jul 2013, 6:19 pm

Everyone's different. We autistic people have good brains, as Makayla said, and this whole idea of fixing is just a bunch of hot air.


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26 Jul 2013, 4:00 am

suddenly... this conversation feels as if it went full derp...

Just like this


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