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Dox47
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03 Aug 2013, 10:57 pm

I'm a consistent libertarian, open up the borders and let the market flow.


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04 Aug 2013, 1:46 pm

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What is the difference between the burden put on American businesses by taxes and regulations here at home and tariffs?

Not much, really.


Actually, it was increased tariffs that accelerated the great depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%8 ... Tariff_Act

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I'd much prefer a low and flat across the board revenue tariff on all imports as opposed to the income tax and that is not an uncommon belief.

Ok, I don't really give a damn. About half of what you wrote sounds like it's simply piss-poor economics anyway.


The belief is actually uncommon, at least among educated people. Most of the world is going in for (and benefitting from) increased trade. Isolationist countries (like North Korea) are becoming poorer and poorer.

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What would life look like in the US and how would perceptions of our economy over the last 40 years be different without cheaper goods from countries that utilize slave labor?

Well, we'd have less cheap goods, but our low-skill labor market would probably also still be stagnant as most of the changes internationally in labor markets appear like they're really due to technological improvement, not cheap labor in other countries.


Moreover, you probably would not be able to afford the computer on which you are typing your ideas.



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04 Aug 2013, 2:13 pm

Dox47 wrote:
I'm a consistent libertarian, open up the borders and let the market flow.


I applaud this. I'm not a fully fledged libertarian, but have a large amount of admiration for your position. 8)



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04 Aug 2013, 2:24 pm

Dox47 wrote:
I'm a consistent libertarian, open up the borders and let the market flow.


Let the people flow, too? Ending migration restrictions would be the most consistent position.



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04 Aug 2013, 4:18 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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I mean, for all of the talk about how the economy works, do either of you people actually understand economic theory at all? Even just enough of the Austrian school to bluster around? Even smatterings of Milton Friedman? Anything?
Where did I say free trade is evil or that I'm against foreign trade?


Sounds like the answer is "No."


Sometimes when people quote posts they respond to the argument they want the other person to make instead of what is actually being posted. Perhaps 'awesomelyglorious' misinterpreted a few things I said particularly at the end, I thought about the response a little after he made it and thought that may of been the case. I'm not sure but I'm not going to defend arguments that I wasn't making in the first place especially when the person responds in the tone of a person that owns several fedoras.



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04 Aug 2013, 6:01 pm

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An early source of American libertarianism are the works of Lysander Spooner.

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Lysander Spooner's opinions were not all that like those of modern day right-libertarians. http://www.spunk.org/texts/intro/faq/sp001547/secG7.html And in Europe, though it might likely confuse many Americans, the term libertarian typicly refers to the libertarian left, while liberalism would be commonly taken to mean classical liberals, or what Americans generally refer to as libertarians. But the very first person to describe himself politicly as being libertarian was the anarcho-communist Joseph Déjacque. So I feel that the left has more of a valid claim to it than does the right. And I, unlike most other libertarian marxists regard Lenin's "The State and Revolution" as being corelational to Communalism, which is a type of left-libertarian collectivism.



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04 Aug 2013, 6:08 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
I mean, for all of the talk about how the economy works, do either of you people actually understand economic theory at all? Even just enough of the Austrian school to bluster around? Even smatterings of Milton Friedman? Anything?
Where did I say free trade is evil or that I'm against foreign trade?


Sounds like the answer is "No."


Sometimes when people quote posts they respond to the argument they want the other person to make instead of what is actually being posted. Perhaps 'awesomelyglorious' misinterpreted a few things I said particularly at the end, I thought about the response a little after he made it and thought that may of been the case. I'm not sure but I'm not going to defend arguments that I wasn't making in the first place especially when the person responds in the tone of a person that owns several fedoras.


The answer still resembles a "No."