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17 Feb 2014, 3:01 pm

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My attitude towards it says that even if I have Asperger's, I'd rather earn my opportunities than be all communist/socialist and buy into this PC, radical egalitarian "we want to be better than you" BS. We strive for equality, yes, but why does it need to be forced by lawmakers? I see it as a potential to ensure we are always at a lower position in society. Look at what affirmative action has done.


How is buying into we want to be better than you BS being all communist/socialist?


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17 Feb 2014, 4:19 pm

I think that focusing on myself and my mind is more useful for me to make positive progress in my life than focusing on neurotypical privilege in the minds of others.


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17 Feb 2014, 4:44 pm

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I think that focusing on myself and my mind is more useful for me to make positive progress in my life than focusing on neurotypical privilege in the minds of others.


Ja. I focus on my life, as well; I still make some time for considering issues such as this, however, because I think they're important, not just to myself, but to others and future generations, as well.


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13 Jan 2016, 10:06 am

NTs are "privileged" in the sense that the world was made by and for them, just like America was made for neurotypical white people.


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20 Jan 2016, 9:59 am

From what I've seen, we have more privilege. We're legally allowed more if we're officially diagnosed. I mean, your boss can't shout at you for a number of things because it's considered part of your 'disability'.



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20 Jan 2016, 10:13 am

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20 Jan 2016, 10:50 am

There is not NT's in general getting things they do not deserve because of thier neurology. There is Autistics most of the time either not getting things they deserve or if they do get it they have to work much harder at it due to systematic descrimination.

Do not be fooled by the anti disability descrimination laws. First of all they were designed first for physically disabled then later on for the intellectually disabled. Autism was an afterthought. Second of all of if a company does not want to hire you or wants to fire you they will find away around the laws, find some technicality. That is what human resources people and lawyers are hired to do. Often it is just enough to say you do not fit in with the company culture. It is not just in the workplace, it is that's most structures are built for and judgements made for neurotypicals by neurotypicals. This often does not mean a nefarious conspiracy to put us down, just the we are small minority that present differently in the ways most people put priority in, outword social communication. Outside of the workplace that means beings judged as having charactor flaws rather then innate differences we are born with. EVAN WITH AN OFFICIAL DIAGNOSIS autistics are often judged by employers, family, or friends as having a fake or fad diagnosis, or using your Autism not as an explanation but as an excuse.

But everything is situational. Some autistics are benifited by anti discrimination laws, some are valued for there autistic traits. If you are one of these people I do not resent you and am glad you have been allowed to benefit from your autism. But please please do understand and be thankful for the fact you are very lucky. I am very thankful my parents in the refrigerator mother era did accept that I was different and that my sensory issues are much less then most on the spectrum.

For those that have been pounced on everyday by most people for their autism do not give up. History has shown that attitudes can undergo change, and that people whose situation seemed absolutely hopeless have succeeded and yes have gotten laid and even had successful careers and marriages.


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20 Jan 2016, 5:29 pm

I think there's some validity in the concept of NT privilege, though I suspect it's not useful to take it too far.

The society around us tends to be hierarchical and competitive, and a lot of people will use an individual's differences from the norm as an excuse to downgrade their status and to deny them inclusion. Why bother making the effort to understand and adjust for Aspies and immigrants when they can just stick to people who speak their own language and dance to the same drum? I guess that's the driver behind NT privilege or whatever you want to call it. But there's little we can do about it apart from being aware it's likely to be that way. If in spite of your best efforts a homogenous group doesn't like you or insists in viewing you as lower caste, it's probably best to shun them if at all possible. They don't pervade the entire world, there are folks out there who suit us much better.



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20 Jan 2016, 6:04 pm

Life is never fair. I don't think there's a point to aspiring fairness and justice. It's just something we humans made up, this whole distinction between "good" and "bad". In the end the only certainty that matters is that life is a struggle and the strongest survive. There's also the certainty of randomness, and if you add a judgment to that it becomes luck. You could say that in a way we AS people are in some ways unlucky, but in the end it doesn't really matter. Just deal with life as it comes since you don't control luck so there's no point thinking about it. The only requirement for success that we control is hard work, so try to focus on that instead since it's productive and everything.



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20 Jan 2016, 6:34 pm

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The only requirement for success that we control is hard work, so try to focus on that instead since it's productive and everything.

I agree, but would add that diligence is also a requirement, and we're often very good at that.



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20 Jan 2016, 8:35 pm

I think I have Attention issues due to sensory issues not the other way around, though lights can bug me a lot, especially when blinking!! I hate fluorescent lighting, I need some duller light to read. It hurts my eyes! My parents force me to either read with light on or full brightness and I hate full brightness. Also, I might tend to ramble on about random topics when, I talk about stuff, to myself and it bugs other people, I can't help it I'm not hiding who I am for no reason other than other, If I want to role play a Stuffed animal friend so be it. Why does it matter. I hate when people take my stuff from me it's, like Where is my thing!! !! ! People tell me to clean up wen My stuff is organized to me. Like for example. I have certain plushies. I have one that I act like is a Merge of Pikachu and a Dragonfly pokemon Pikachu is not really a main character in my plushie cinematics, but I have a Character which is a Plushie which I carry around at all times even in stores, my Dad sometimes forces me to go to get my stuff, but I rather hate going. I like to role play with them, They think it is annoying, because I roleplay in a Higher-Pitched voice, I can control my pitch, to the Exact. I can't watch anime of Pokemon, it makes me to sad. Mostly, because of characters leaving so it is just very very annoying, like one minute they are in one region then the next, I mostly relate to Pokemon, but also animals to. Just I have none that won't annoy me to much. Pets make me nervous. I can't pay attention to them, I don't know how it is to hard. I like to be close to something comforting. I often stim, but I pace a lot. It is a problem for me organization, because it is like either Perfect in my own way or chaos, I can't take a lot of stuff though. I have grammar it is just, Sounding out doesn't work, I have to make a connection, Like, I usually use Colored and Label (Preferable with a Label maker man those things work wonders, but they don't help the require certain things you know I have problems, because I hate grammar. As Abstract as it is I try. I'm good with fancy words though. Like neurotypical, Neurodiversity, I prefer Allistic and Autistic. It is just a difference in thinking though autistics often think in patterns visually it is weird. I often can excel in theory but not in fiction. I live a sort of fiction..


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21 Jan 2016, 1:43 am

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Life is never fair. I don't think there's a point to aspiring fairness and justice. It's just something we humans made up, this whole distinction between "good" and "bad". In the end the only certainty that matters is that life is a struggle and the strongest survive. There's also the certainty of randomness, and if you add a judgment to that it becomes luck. You could say that in a way we AS people are in some ways unlucky, but in the end it doesn't really matter. Just deal with life as it comes since you don't control luck so there's no point thinking about it. The only requirement for success that we control is hard work, so try to focus on that instead since it's productive and everything.


Yes it matters. The idea the we have total control over our lives is just as much of myth as the idea we have no control over it. The idea the that world will never change to adjust to demands of minorities is a total myth. When I was growing up if you were LGBT you could be and were often arrested for doing what came naturally. That was 50 years ago. Those laws were repealed and homosexualty was taken out of the DSM in 1973 and in the 70's and '80's there were popular "gender bending" rock stars. But outside of the creative fields and parts of large cities if you looked like Boy George you were not getting hired and you would likely be beat up if you walked the street. In the early 1990's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" was considered a sign of major progress, but most still did want gays teaching thier kids because it though that they would would spread the gay agenda to innocent kids. And here we are in 2016 where most of that seems barbaric and antiquated. It is not perfect, there is still pushback and gay bashing. While the progress by LBGT has been the most dramatic other groups have gained also. In how many places are left handed kids are brutally and physically forced to be right handed as was common 50 or 60 years ago?

These changes did not happen automatically you know. It happened because some people did not say screw it, did not say it does not matter because is life is unfair, and did not say don't even think about it.


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24 Jan 2016, 10:33 pm

PwoperNereguar wrote:
From what I've seen, we have more privilege. We're legally allowed more if we're officially diagnosed. I mean, your boss can't shout at you for a number of things because it's considered part of your 'disability'.


Not really. The prejudice we face hurts us a lot more than any compensation we get.


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25 Jan 2016, 1:32 am

PwoperNereguar wrote:
From what I've seen, we have more privilege. We're legally allowed more if we're officially diagnosed. I mean, your boss can't shout at you for a number of things because it's considered part of your 'disability'.


Yes, but those concessions are not privilege or a benefit to give us an upper hand, they're to level the playing field so that our opportunities for success are equal to those of NTs, because without these privileges or "special treatment" we would be unfairly disadvantaged.


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PwoperNereguar wrote:
From what I've seen, we have more privilege. We're legally allowed more if we're officially diagnosed. I mean, your boss can't shout at you for a number of things because it's considered part of your 'disability'.


Not really. The prejudice we face hurts us a lot more than any compensation we get.