Why have Most Liberals Become What They Hate?

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My views havent changed at all. I don't have as much sympathy for voluntary drug use as I do for sexual orientation. But I have some. The country can usually only handle one liberalization crusade at a time. We didnt deal with women's suffrage, civil rights and gay marriage all in one decade.

As for being a hawk, well, Ive always been a hawk. I voted for Obama knowing that he didnt have a problem with Afghanistan. Because I know my letters and numbers and do that fancy reading stuff.

Ah, the straw liberal appears.
(sarcasm)Don't forget the part where liberals want equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity.(/sarcasm)

Annoying when people project motives and goals onto you, isn't it?

Have I done so to you recently?

Nah, more like you've been sort of defending some of the people I've taken to task for it lately, I just think it's a dick move and should be called out whenever someone does it.

The constitution is not a suicide pact. If airstrikes are the only way to kill our enemies, then that's what we have to do. Let's not fool ourselves and pretend there is a wide variety of political opinion, debate, and dissent in these areas. Also, if we invade, which is the other option, we kill many, many more.

Arguing that drones/airstrikes are necessary is a different claim than arguing that every male killed by a drone was an 'enemy combatant' to falsely deflate the estimated number of civilian casualties.

It's a reasonable assumption is some tribal areas.

No, it is not. Neither the average 16 year old nor the average 50 year old should be classed as an 'enemy combatant' just because of their proximity to a drone strike.

Still better than nuking the site for morbid, which is well within our power.

dude, seriously? That's your argument? 'It's ok to lie about the civilian casualties, because at least we aren't nuking them'?

Who cares what we call them? Seriously that's your objection? They aren't innocent until proven guilty, it's a freaking war.

Are you completely unaware of the difference between the administration saying, 'We have killed thousands of innocent civilians with our drone strikes,' and 'we have killed less than 100 innocent civilians with our drone strikes'? Do you not understand the political significance of that?

Not to mention that more than one of them was an American citizen, tried, convicted, and executed entirely by the administrative branch without due process (i.e., completely unconstitutionally, in case you haven't read the BoR recently).

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I'm kinda glad it's not just me that gets the monkey business when talking to Obama partisans...

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Who's war?

The war between the West and the Islamists.