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Bill (if you do not mind me calling you this) as a person who is more towards the liberal bent I really need to say something here. What we're dealing with is human nature. I regret to say that people who have similar beliefs that I have do not understand it that well. With regard to human nature, you can't force someone to agree with you mind, body and soul especially a whole society who does not share your values or believes what you believe. I have observed this on ebay when it came to coupons. Ebay banned the buying and selling of coupons. People got around it by buying and selling the services of cutting the coupons out. I believe a lot more conservatives understand human nature a lot more than we liberals do.

The problem is we have sets of ideas and beliefs that are alien to each other and conservatives and liberals action and words comes from these ideas and beliefs. In the conservatives' minds you are forcing a belief system they abhor and they see us as invaders and destroyers of the very essence and soul of this country called the USA.

I believe what librarian is saying in order to be an American one has to accept its ideals and beliefs. To me, this is to absolute and the way conservatives perceive things is to absolute. To me, it presents contradictions and it has the you're either with us or against us mentality. Honestly, we're not changing each other's minds and in my opinion I think the best answer is to break up the USA sort of like the soviet union did in a peaceful manner and we can all congregate to where we feel the most comfortable. Because of our ireconcible philosophical differences I don't think our nation can stay united.

Evangelicals are not an ethnic group.


Historical revisionism about the Civil War.

Race is not the only reason one might vote Republican. It's not a question of what the Republicans do FOR white racists, its what the Democrats did TO them, IE Lyndon Johnson, affirmative action, etc.

On top of that, evangelicals have to accept a degree of self blame for this situation of being closed out of Ivy League schools. After all, they tend to be of a proud anti-intellectual tradition that prefers their own institutions of learning, such as Liberty University (considered second rate by most of the rest of us).

This is why I say the wrong side won in the Civil War. Had the Southerners been allowed to peacefully secede, we would get along much better.

And had the British defeated the American revolutionaries - thus eradicating the current United States of America - slavery would have been abolished much sooner. Slavery was abandoned in mainland Britain in 1772, and abolished in 1834 - 29 years before the Emancipation Proclamation.

Bill, I come from that tradition myself. Would you really consider me to be anti-intellectual?

I could also say that anti-intellectualism is far stronger in the black community than in any white community. Being academically inclined and black is what they call "acting white".

^At the time, the Democratic Party in the Senate was a Southern political machine, knocking down any attempts at desegregation.
Immediately after the Johnson administration, there was a Southern backlash against the Democratic Party. As time passed, other issues were introduced, such as abortion, homosexual rights, the "War on Drugs" and the "War on Terror".
So no, you are not all "racists", its more complicated nowadays, but historically since the desegregation of the South, the South has voted Republican.

I think I can speak for most Southerners when I say that just as only the poor have the right to commend poverty to others, only liberals who live in ghettos have the right to commend desgregation to others.

It's worth noting that blacks were forbidden live in many states and cities in the north well into the twentieth century.

Having said this, you are partially right. The formation of the so-called religious right into a semi-organized body was due to predatory liberals trying to force their sick values on us, particularly Roe V Wade. What I do know is that it will all end in tears.

Sir, I don't know where you get your information from. In 1776, Britain had a total of twenty-six colonies, and slavery wasn't just allowed in all of them--it was mandatory. Pennsylvania Quakers tried to make it illegal there and the crown forbade it.

Nice try though.

I can't believe the answer is to break up the country, though to be sure, the political and economic divide has never been wider in modern times.
As the Republicans are in the middle of self destructing right now due to their own right wind extremist wing, we might be seeing the beginning of the end of this unfortunate period of trials and tribulations.

What is it that makes "racists" want to vote Republican? What has the GOP done for "racists"?

To put it humorously:

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