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GGPViper
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26 Oct 2013, 2:49 pm

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
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In this presentation, he explains the main reason he believes the Republican Party failed to defeat Barack Obama in the 2012 Presidential election.

Here is my claim: Bronco Bama defeated Slick Willard because the Republicans have lost the young vote (largely due to homophobia and anti-science), the female vote (largely due to issues over abortion) and the non-white vote (for a multitude of reasons).

There. Does that make me a political genius?
No, but you're behaving like a habitual generalizer. Obama's support among the black community actually dropped a lot between the 2008 and 2012 elections, and I suspect its because they realized what the rest of us already knew: just because someone shares your skin color, it doesn't make them good for a job.

Black votes going to Obama 2008: 95 percent
Black votes going to Obama 2012: 93 percent

Black voter turnout 2008: 64.7 percent
Black voter turnout 2012: 66.2 percent

Black voter percentage 2008: 11.8 percent
Black voter percentage 2012: 12.0 percent

Combined effects (simple multiplication)

Black Power - 2008: 7.25 percent
Black Power - 2012: 7.39 percent

In other words, Obama increased his Black vote lead by 2 percent (percent, not percentage *points*) from 2008 to 2012, with the increase in both turnout and relative size in the electorate more than compensating for the relative increase in Romney voters.

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The views of Ben Shapiro on a lot of issues...are simply copy-paste positions of views made by other social conservatives for decades. So why is he special? :shrug:
I like him because he has the courage to "walk against the wind" in a political sphere currently controlled by people who demand that no activity ever be deemed more correct or appropriate than any other. Ironically, they believe their stance is more correct, so the core of their philosophy is self-defeating.

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26 Oct 2013, 4:37 pm

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I don't understand your point. Most of America's adventures abroad are unilateralist and happening in spite of UN opinion. Particularly the 2003 invasion of Iraq. As far as I recall there was no UN sanction for that incursion in any shape or form. The UN's weapons inspectors found no evidence of WMD's and could give no reason for an invasion. Your argument is invalid.
My main argument is that the United States government should not be allying with people who control nations determined to destroy us. We need to get our national sovereignty back, and fight to defend it.


I don't think mutual UN membership = alliance. The UN is not an ideologically or religiously partisan organisation, nor do I think it was ever meant to be. Thats the role of NATO.

The whole purpose of the UN was to provide a diplomatic recourse between nations with contentious issues rather than allowing problems to manifest like the ones that resulted in the disasters that were World Wars 1 and 2.

USA quitting NATO would be diplomatically embarrassing for it. It would smack of arrogance to other countries, and with the departure of the world's largest economy would undermine the very purpose of the facility which has up till now, despite the criticism it gets, done a fairly good job at preventing a sequel to WW2.


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27 Oct 2013, 8:27 am

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Most of the other members in the United Nations are our sworn enemies

This is either hyperbole or a joke, right?

Most countries consider the US their strongest ally. Even places like Saudi Arabia value the US highly because of the trade they provide. China talked North Korea out of its crazy rhetoric because they didn't want their relationship with the US to be soured. Iran just elected a leader specifically to strengthen relations with the US so economic sanctions would be lifted.



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27 Oct 2013, 9:29 am

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Moviefan2k4 wrote:
Most of the other members in the United Nations are our sworn enemies

This is either hyperbole or a joke, right?

Most countries consider the US their strongest ally. Even places like Saudi Arabia value the US highly because of the trade they provide. China talked North Korea out of its crazy rhetoric because they didn't want their relationship with the US to be soured. Iran just elected a leader specifically to strengthen relations with the US so economic sanctions would be lifted.


^

this as well.


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