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30 Oct 2013, 12:53 pm

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What does it have to do with the DPRK? Wasnt this thread about DPRK?

It was to illustrate that countries that adopt similar, or the same system that america can, and often do end up in just as bad or an even worse situation that the DPRK.

ie. its unfair to criticise the DPRK just because of its political system when there are countries that are even worse off as a result of their political system.

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Of course those other 3rd world countries are just as horrible but those countries in Africa are all at war with eachother they have no interest in US

Um, i specifically chose the example of Liberia because it was modelled on the USA! Liberia was once the USA's only foothold in africa. It was established purely as a means to allow american slave descendants to return to africa, but it was an abject failure because they tried to adopt the US system in every facet of their lives.

Even the Liberian flag is modelled on the American one.
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There are secret wars going on in South America as well.

Yes, free market south america.

anyway if you're going to use war as an excuse, the DPRK is also at war. With S korea and the USA. The difference is the DPRK doesnt have a superpower backing it up. The average standard of living in the DPRK was actually higher than S Korea until about the 70's when the soviet economy started to stumble.


lol that's just pure nonsense. Liberia is a failed state because it followed the "American system"? Really?



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30 Oct 2013, 1:39 pm

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30 Oct 2013, 1:45 pm

..yeah.


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30 Oct 2013, 1:52 pm

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lol that's just pure nonsense. Liberia is a failed state because it followed the "American system"? Really?


I would'nt argue it was the ONLY factor but it is certainly a major exacerbator.

Trying to apply trickledown economics in a country where there already isn't much wealth to start with is never a good idea. Especially in a place with political instability and inter-tribal conflict. I would argue that such countries need a greater bottom up emphasis is why socialistic developing economies (that follow through with such policies) generally see a better average living standard for their least well off.


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30 Oct 2013, 2:09 pm

thomas81 hates America because they are the most evil imperialist zionist supporting terrorist country on the planet! Thats why he choses to side with DPRK and Iran and all that.


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30 Oct 2013, 2:18 pm

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lol that's just pure nonsense. Liberia is a failed state because it followed the "American system"? Really?


I would'nt argue it was the ONLY factor but it is certainly a major exacerbator.

Trying to apply trickledown economics in a country where there already isn't much wealth to start with is never a good idea. Especially in a place with political instability and inter-tribal conflict. I would argue that such countries need a greater bottom up emphasis is why socialistic developing economies (that follow through with such policies) generally see a better average living standard for their least well off.


Liberia basically was basically the Antebullum South transplanted in Africa with the freed slaves being at the top of society instead of the bottom. These former slaves which only made up a small fraction of the population ruled Liberia with an iron fist for a 130 years before being overthrown in a bloody coup in 1980 that was supportive of the indigenous peoples, the popular support behind the coup soon evaporated tho as the new leaders proved to be just as brutal as the last and the country would soon descend into civil war with tribes warring against each other.



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30 Oct 2013, 2:48 pm

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thomas81 hates America because they are the most evil imperialist zionist supporting terrorist country on the planet!

I hate the american government because its the consequence of educating myself about the behaviour of its military (bradley manning-gate anyone?), intelligence agencies and economic terrorists throughout the world that do all they can to maximise their hegemony and undermine the lives of the citizens in the countries they infiltrate.

I hate the way that America gives Israel the lions share of its aid despite the fact that its already a developed mini-nuclear power that makes it a threat to its neighbours.

I don't hate America, or Americans. I like some aspects of American culture and I have American friends.

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Thats why he choses to side with DPRK

Obviously you misread my posts.
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and Iran and all that.

Unconvincing lie, and not a particularly good one.


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30 Oct 2013, 2:55 pm

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thomas81 hates America because they are the most evil imperialist zionist supporting terrorist country on the planet!

I hate the american government because its the consequence of educating myself about the behaviour of its military (bradley manning-gate anyone?), intelligence agencies and economic terrorists throughout the world that do all they can to maximise their hegemony and undermine the lives of the citizens in the countries they infiltrate.

I hate the way that America gives Israel the lions share of its aid despite the fact that its already a developed mini-nuclear power that makes it a threat to its neighbours.

I don't hate America, or Americans. I like some aspects of American culture and I have American friends.

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Thats why he choses to side with DPRK

Obviously you misread my posts.
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and Iran and all that.

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30 Oct 2013, 2:56 pm

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No. Not even mildy indignant.

However since you're admitting to attempted trolling, I'll pass your details onto a moderator. How'd you like those apples?


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30 Oct 2013, 3:00 pm

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No. Not even mildy indignant.

However since you're admitting to attempted trolling, I'll pass your details onto a moderator. How'd you like those apples?
It seemeds like you do just saying!


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30 Oct 2013, 3:03 pm

FOr the record most of my family serves in the US military and are against nations like North Korea and such because well? they violate human rights and enjoy torturing people and are against the US constitution and I get tired of my country being vilified for it.


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30 Oct 2013, 3:04 pm

I wasn't even mildly irate.

I took you at face value and genuinely assumed you were that stupid. You've given little evidence to the contrary.


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30 Oct 2013, 3:07 pm

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FOr the record most of my family serves in the US military and are against nations like North Korea and such because well? they violate human rights and enjoy torturing people and are against the US constitution and I get tired of my country being vilified for it.


Yeah, you're right. I forgot that the USA is the paragon of human rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib ... oner_abuse

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issu ... guantanamo

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_an ... ted_States


Seriously for a second though, if you're fed up of people vilifying your country, its because your country keeps giving ammunition to the vilifiers.


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