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04 Nov 2013, 2:35 pm

Should movie theaters, schools, malls, stores, restaurants and banks have metal detectors at the entrance for security?



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04 Nov 2013, 2:41 pm

... and people with those new 3D printed plastic guns, ceramic guns or explosives can walk straight through the metal detectors anyway. Rendering such metal detectors a waste of time and a great deal of inconvenience for everyone.


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04 Nov 2013, 3:08 pm

They are a real pain if you are a Cylon.


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04 Nov 2013, 3:09 pm

Misslizard wrote:
They are a real pain if you are a Cylon.


There must be some way outta here...



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04 Nov 2013, 3:23 pm

Misslizard wrote:
They are a real pain if you are a Cylon.


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04 Nov 2013, 6:53 pm

Yes, and there should be Army soldiers in them, too. And a turret to shoot shoplifters.



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05 Nov 2013, 9:45 am

TallyMan wrote:
... and people with those new 3D printed plastic guns, ceramic guns or explosives can walk straight through the metal detectors anyway. Rendering such metal detectors a waste of time and a great deal of inconvenience for everyone.


Guns will always set off metal detectors. Though I agree with the general sentiment.


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05 Nov 2013, 9:58 am

In the Philippines, you have to go through as much security to enter a shopping mall as you do to enter an airplane in the USA.

Banks have heavily armed guards to greet you at the door.

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As do pawn shops

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And a lot of other stores


They seem to be almost as crazed about guns as their former colonial masters.



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05 Nov 2013, 10:08 am

Housedays wrote:
Should movie theaters, schools, malls, stores, restaurants and banks have metal detectors at the entrance for security?

In most cases, it won't make a difference. If someone wants to shoot up a cinema or a restaurant, they'll just barge or shoot their way through security.

Over here, we have a few problem schools where the pupils are searched in the mornings, airport-style, because there were too many incidents of teachers being threatened with knives. That sort of treatment just tends to rile people up.

So two things:
1) Any sort of security needs the firepower to back itself up, or it is useless
2) Heavy security tends to make people angry

and I guess you also have to look at the expense.

I think most people would choose to sacrifice their security in order to pass about without being hassled unnecessarily by security forces.



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05 Nov 2013, 10:11 am

The_Walrus wrote:
So two things:
1) Any sort of security needs the firepower to back itself up, or it is useless
2) Heavy security tends to make people angry


I would submit that it's not the heft of the security that matters, but rather the intrusiveness. Airport security is incredibly intrusive, and at the same time largely ineffective.

Amtrak security is completely the opposite - it is very unobtrusive, and at the same time extremely effective.


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05 Nov 2013, 10:34 am

When I said heavy, I meant intrusive, not effective. I understand how using the word "heavy" after talking about firepower could have been confusing.

But yes, I agree with you.



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05 Nov 2013, 2:04 pm

Housedays wrote:
Should movie theaters, schools, malls, stores, restaurants and banks have metal detectors at the entrance for security?


Hell no!

Unless you want to live in a NAZI society.


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05 Nov 2013, 2:08 pm

None of this post 9/11 security makes you any safer, it is conditioning for your eventual enslavement



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05 Nov 2013, 3:57 pm

When I was in St.Louis quite a few stores had armed security guards.Even one grocery store.
I didn't see any in the stores in San Fransisco.No stores here have them.


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05 Nov 2013, 4:03 pm

Misslizard wrote:
When I was in St.Louis quite a few stores had armed security guards.Even one grocery store.
I didn't see any in the stores in San Fransisco.No stores here have them.


That is due, at least in part, to the licensing and insurance requirements for armed security guards. Missouri has relatively lax rules on armed security, which makes them cheaper to employ. San Francisco's requirements for private armed security surpass the requirements for the police department, which is a pretty blatant attempt to dissuade businesses from hiring armed guards.


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