Why support abortion for rape victims?

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It's perverted that you don't think that the welfare or self-control of the host matter more than an unformed bunch of semi-differentiated tissues.


According to the 2012 Gallup poll, men are significantly more likely to call themselves 'pro-life' than women are. Here are some more resources:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05 ... vent-men/#
http://feministsforchoice.com/my-body-y ... bodies.htm
With very few exceptions (from Texas and/or Alaska), pro-life bills are put forward and advocated for by men in the US. With very few exceptions, the people I meet who are fanatically pro-choice both IRL and on the internet are men. Sometimes one sees women demonstrating outside of clinics, but they're not the ones foaming at the mouth over the issue. If someone says that pregnancy is 'just a temporary inconvenience,' it's pretty much always a male.

Do you really think that having your bodily functions almost completely taken over by another organism without your permission just amounts to a minor, temporary "hardship"?
See above.

If a human being tried to rape me or otherwise use my body without my permission, I would kill them. And I would be found legally justified in doing so.

only if you start out with the assumption that sex is only about reproduction.

It's the woman that needs to give consent, not the zef.

yes, it is. That is the entire point.

That's a fairly complex evolutionary argument, but it makes the unjustified assumption that a baby born to any father at any stage of a woman's life is an equal fitness boost to any other baby born to any other father at any other stage of her life. Pregnancy and childbirth tremendously sap a woman's health and energy; subsequent pregnancies tend to produce lower birth weights and more birth defects for 4-5 years after an initial pregnancy, and most women will not produce more than two or three offspring (in the US). All of their eggs are literally in 2 or 3 baskets. In addition, women who give birth in their teens are less likely to have successful offspring than women who delay childbirth into their 20s, even if they have the same total number of offspring. These facts are illustrated by the fact that females (or males, if the male is the primary caretaker in a given species) of many species across many taxa either re-absorb zefs, abandon offspring, or kill and eat offspring that are born during inopportune conditions. Note that I am not saying that this is good; I am saying that it is incorrect to claim that any given offspring, or any given pregnancy, advances an individual woman's evolutionary fitness.

The 10th male is parasitic not because of where he came from, but because he is entirely unnecessary to the female anglerfish.

Just because there are germ layers and primitive tissues doesn't mean that it's not still a blob. It doesn't even have the neurological function of the prototypical blob organism, the jellyfish.

Then you have a very different definition than I do of 'begin' and 'blob.'


No, I've heard that 'philosophical' argument many times; I just don't give a damn. Every single shred of evidence that has ever been produced shows that sentience and sapience arises from functioning, organized neurological tissues, and zefs don't have that until the 3rd trimester. Arguments like that are what drive my contempt for much of philosophy.

If I was unconscious and hooked up to another person's body without their permission, then what I 'wanted' would have absolutely no relevance whatsoever.

I have known women who have become pregnant from being raped. Without exception, every one of them wanted an abortion.