Do people with Asperger's do this behavior?

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15 Dec 2013, 12:59 am

Fnord wrote:
a. It's a common behavior with people.
b. Aspies are people.
: : It's a common behavior with Aspies.


That is a gross generalisation; aspies are people yes, but they are different people. By your logic, I could say that:

a: Enjoying socialisation is common among people
b: Aspies are people
:: Enjoying socialisation is common among aspies

I think everyone here can agree that that is not a correct logical syllogism.


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15 Dec 2013, 4:45 am

Certain behaviors seem to feelings to other people. If somebody scratches an itch suddenly others feel an itch. So if people see somebody tiding their hair people start thinking their hair is out of place.


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15 Dec 2013, 4:52 am

I don't really notice people doing these things.



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15 Dec 2013, 9:44 am

I don't do the behavior in the OP's original question.


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15 Dec 2013, 12:10 pm

one-A-N wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
No, I don't do that type of behaviour that you describe.

a. It's a common behavior with people who aren't socially oblivious.
b. Aspies tend to be socially oblivious.
: : It may be a less common behaviour with Aspies.


I am oblivious to others fixing their hair or pulling up their trousers, etc. I had never even heard of this before reading this post and I am in my fifties.

What I do find a problem is walking along a street when someone is busking with a strong or obvious beat - I feel like I am being programmed to walk in time with the beat. I deliberately try to walk out of sync with the music, asthough I hadn't noticed it. But it is hard.

Oh I do this too! I used to fight it, now I just go with it :)



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15 Dec 2013, 12:34 pm

StarTrekker wrote:
Fnord wrote:
a. It's a common behavior with people.
b. Aspies are people.
: : It's a common behavior with Aspies.


That is a gross generalisation; aspies are people yes, but they are different people. By your logic, I could say that:

a: Enjoying socialisation is common among people
b: Aspies are people
:: Enjoying socialisation is common among aspies

I think everyone here can agree that that is not a correct logical syllogism.

a: Walking is a common behaviour among people
b: People without legs are people
:: Walking is common in people without legs



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15 Dec 2013, 1:44 pm

ResilientBrilliance wrote:
Do you (if you have Asperger's), start tidying your hair if you see someone with messy hair? If you see someone with their pants too low, do you pull up your own pants? I hope you get what I'm trying to illustrate here. These are just 2 examples of the behavior I'm trying to describe.


I don’t personally do this. Yet, I have noticed the following behavior.

Occasionally, when talking to someone (oftentimes in a working situation), I may scratch the outside of my nose. I try to use a tissue, but one is not always available.

I have no idea why I do this. Maybe it’s a nervous habit. I have no idea. But, I do realize (based upon everything I have read online), that you should never do this, particularly in a business setting.

In any event, I have noticed, when I do this, others do the same. It’s almost like I am sending them a message that there is something on their nose (or wherever) that they need to “fix”.



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15 Dec 2013, 9:28 pm

Rocket123 wrote:
ResilientBrilliance wrote:
Do you (if you have Asperger's), start tidying your hair if you see someone with messy hair? If you see someone with their pants too low, do you pull up your own pants? I hope you get what I'm trying to illustrate here. These are just 2 examples of the behavior I'm trying to describe.


I don’t personally do this. Yet, I have noticed the following behavior.

Occasionally, when talking to someone (oftentimes in a working situation), I may scratch the outside of my nose. I try to use a tissue, but one is not always available.

I have no idea why I do this. Maybe it’s a nervous habit. I have no idea. But, I do realize (based upon everything I have read online), that you should never do this, particularly in a business setting.

In any event, I have noticed, when I do this, others do the same. It’s almost like I am sending them a message that there is something on their nose (or wherever) that they need to “fix”.

:lol: :lol: Thank you for sharing this with me! Yes something similar happens to me when talking to people, which is how I (a relatively socially oblivious person) have noticed it. If it weren't for them doing it mid-conversation, I would never have put two and two together. I'm not surprised others haven't noticed it because it is a rather subtle phenomenon.



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15 Dec 2013, 9:36 pm

Marcia wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
ResilientBrilliance wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
No, I don't do that type of behaviour that you describe.

a. It's a common behavior with people who aren't socially oblivious.
b. Aspies tend to be socially oblivious.
: : It may be a less common behaviour with Aspies.

I don't do this type of behavior either. But over the years, I have noticed people do this. For some reason, I don't see someone with untidy hair and feel compelled to get out my own comb, it's so bizarre to me. :lol:
This is somewhat similar to how people start yawning when they see other people yawn (supposedly). I researched that "contagiousness" of yawns once for a paper in my neural systems class. "Mirror neurons" are supposedly what causes this phenomenon. Mirror neurons are a social thing in humans. So yeah I do think this behavior has its roots in socialness, but it's just a theory.
I appreciate everyone's replies. :)


I do "catch" yawns. There's been a few threads here asking if people do, though, and they're filled with people who don't. That could be reporting bias, though: people see the title of the thread and they know about the mirror neurons theory, so those who don't catch yawns post more. It's hard to get a random sample when people self-select themselves for a poll.


I yawned just because I read this post about yawning!

My son, who is diagnosed with Asperger's, doesn't catch yawns at all. We seem to be at opposite extremes on that one. I yawn if I see one of the gerbils yawn, and I keep yawning now because I'm thinking and typing about yawning! Ah well, time for bed anyway. :)

I really don't think I catch yawns. I don't do anything just because someone else is doing it...I see myself as a distinct individual; I am me and she is herself. If her hair is untidy, that does not mean my hair is untidy. If her nose itches, my nose does not itch. It's funny how this is logical, but somehow I'm the weird one. :lol:



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Who_Am_I wrote:
No, I don't do that type of behaviour that you describe.

a. It's a common behavior with people who aren't socially oblivious.
b. Aspies tend to be socially oblivious.
: : It may be a less common behaviour with Aspies.


I am oblivious to others fixing their hair or pulling up their trousers, etc. I had never even heard of this before reading this post and I am in my fifties.

What I do find a problem is walking along a street when someone is busking with a strong or obvious beat - I feel like I am being programmed to walk in time with the beat. I deliberately try to walk out of sync with the music, asthough I hadn't noticed it. But it is hard.

Really? You've never seen a girl redo her ponytail or anything? Interesting, I see it all the time



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16 Dec 2013, 9:19 pm

No, I don't exhibit that behavior. I am usually somewhere too deep in thought to react to such events. I'd take observations in my mind as I noticed, but on the surface I would be stoic.



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17 Dec 2013, 12:55 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
No, I don't do that type of behaviour that you describe.

a. It's a common behavior with people who aren't socially oblivious.
b. Aspies tend to be socially oblivious.
: : It may be a less common behaviour with Aspies.


I agree with that. I was actually quite surprised when I first read the original post because I thought that was common behaviour in most typical female NTs.

I am still waiting for a thread to come up entitled ''is it typical Aspie behaviour to take pride in our appearance?'' or, ''is it an Aspie thing to have emotions?'', even though this whole forum basically talks about how NTs conform and have emotions. In fact, I thought what the OP was describing was an empathy thing, what I keep reading on WP that Aspies ''lack'' and ''all'' NTs ''have''.

I think some people here have never met an NT before.


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17 Dec 2013, 2:01 pm

Joe90 wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
No, I don't do that type of behaviour that you describe.

a. It's a common behavior with people who aren't socially oblivious.
b. Aspies tend to be socially oblivious.
: : It may be a less common behaviour with Aspies.


I agree with that. I was actually quite surprised when I first read the original post because I thought that was common behaviour in most typical female NTs.

I am still waiting for a thread to come up entitled ''is it typical Aspie behaviour to take pride in our appearance?'' or, ''is it an Aspie thing to have emotions?'', even though this whole forum basically talks about how NTs conform and have emotions. In fact, I thought what the OP was describing was an empathy thing, what I keep reading on WP that Aspies ''lack'' and ''all'' NTs ''have''.

I think some people here have never met an NT before.

Please explain to me why you were surprised. I did not know I was describing an empathy thing. And, I'm not sure how this didn't click in your mind, but you obviously have read more WP than I have. Sorry if I haven't read every post that you have read. I guess instead of risking posting here, I should have googled, "do people with asperger's scratch their nose if someone else scratches their nose?" That is 100% sarcasm. I am not a typical female neurotypical and I don't have Asperger's. I can read facial expressions TOO well and I do not take pride in my appearance. Have I blown your mind?



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17 Dec 2013, 3:37 pm

StarTrekker wrote:
Fnord wrote:
a. It's a common behavior with people.
b. Aspies are people.
: : It's a common behavior with Aspies.


That is a gross generalisation; aspies are people yes, but they are different people. By your logic, I could say that:

a: Enjoying socialisation is common among people
b: Aspies are people
:: Enjoying socialisation is common among aspies

I think everyone here can agree that that is not a correct logical syllogism.


I may be mistaken, but I believe both syllogisms are flawed. I believe yours would be proper if it read, "Enjoying socialisation is common among ALL people". However, I don't believe that is true. More likely, "Enjoying socialisation is common among MOST or SOME people". As such, in either case, the conclusion is invalid.

In any event, what I find fascinating about these threads, is that it is oftentimes unclear (at least to me), what behavioral symptoms are related to Aspergers, which are related to some other disorder and which are related simply to being human.



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17 Dec 2013, 3:50 pm

ResilientBrilliance wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
No, I don't do that type of behaviour that you describe.

a. It's a common behavior with people who aren't socially oblivious.
b. Aspies tend to be socially oblivious.
: : It may be a less common behaviour with Aspies.


I agree with that. I was actually quite surprised when I first read the original post because I thought that was common behaviour in most typical female NTs.

I am still waiting for a thread to come up entitled ''is it typical Aspie behaviour to take pride in our appearance?'' or, ''is it an Aspie thing to have emotions?'', even though this whole forum basically talks about how NTs conform and have emotions. In fact, I thought what the OP was describing was an empathy thing, what I keep reading on WP that Aspies ''lack'' and ''all'' NTs ''have''.

I think some people here have never met an NT before.

Please explain to me why you were surprised. I did not know I was describing an empathy thing. And, I'm not sure how this didn't click in your mind, but you obviously have read more WP than I have. Sorry if I haven't read every post that you have read. I guess instead of risking posting here, I should have googled, "do people with asperger's scratch their nose if someone else scratches their nose?" That is 100% sarcasm. I am not a typical female neurotypical and I don't have Asperger's. I can read facial expressions TOO well and I do not take pride in my appearance. Have I blown your mind?


Sorry, my bad, I shouldn't have assumed you have Asperger's. Also I misinterpreted the title. I am mildly Dyslexic so sometimes I can take things the wrong way due to misreading something. I feel bad now. :oops:


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17 Dec 2013, 3:56 pm

ResilientBrilliance wrote:
Well I mean is this as common a thing among people with Asperger's as it is with neurotypicals?
Do you (if you have Asperger's), start tidying your hair if you see someone with messy hair? If you see someone with their pants too low, do you pull up your own pants? I hope you get what I'm trying to illustrate here. These are just 2 examples of the behavior I'm trying to describe.



No I don't start doing these things when I see something. I didn't even know others did this.


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