Benevolent sexism
Yeah, I see respect as something that can be lost rather than needing to be earned. And only individuals can lose my respect, not enormous groups like 'men'.
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With the Feminists, it does seem that a guy can dig himself into a hole, even unintentionally, really fast. Several pages already, to justify one word.
Some more quotes where the word "creature" is applied to people
http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/creatures
Idealists are either blind or clowns; because they think it is possible to have a beautiful world with as*hole creatures like humans.
We are the most disgusting and obnoxious creatures; we can’t succeed, and we won’t let others too.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywo ... ature.html
The quotes go on, and on, and on, and on. I trust that I am satisfactorily exonerated, at least for this one imagined transgression against Feminist sensitivities.
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Aside from the biology of the genders... the only differences between men and women are a result of culture. Meaning, that the differences between gender in our society only exist because we believe it to be so, and behave with gender roles as an expectation.
Sexism, of any kind, is wrong... as with separate, but equal, benevolent sexism is not any better...
Women and men are different, that's not saying they don't deserve equality or justifies sexism, you as an Aspie you surely realize your brain is different yet that doesn't mean you don't deserve the same respect as NTs, right? Or do you also think that the difference between Aspies and NTs is only cultural?
Scientific researchers wouldn't agree with you that only culture makes the differences between women and men, not only they differ in sex organs and chromosomes but studies after studies of all kinds, biological, physiological, psychological, neurological, MRA Scans... show how fundamentally women and men are different, even their brain structures are different, how things process in their heads are different, how they perceive things and emotions are different, the distribution of the average IQ scores differ (like verbal vs spatial). In fact, the neurological difference between women and men's brains is probably more obvious and significant than the difference between Aspies and NTs of the same gender.
Also, culture isn't an independent entity that has emerged from nowhere, it has emerged from our nature as human beings, have you ever wondered for example, why the historic Protective role of males was and still apparent in almost all cultures? Whether in Cowboy culture, through the French Marketeer and going as far to the Samurai? Because it simply stems from a biological reality: men are physically stronger and women became much physically vulnerable during pregnancy, that biological model is due to million of years of evolution as a species.
We can be egalitarian without denying scientific and biological facts.
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Really, when people make this argument or argue against calling out bigotry, it suggests that they don't like people challenging the prejudiced BS that they spew. I like the idea of making bigots uncomfortable.
If I misunderstood, and you meant the problem of people feigning ignorance with the aim of shutting down a discussion that threatens their belief in a just world for everyone else and persecution for people like themselves, then yeah, there's probably no solution for that. You can't make people examine their own minds.
Anyone reading the last few pages of this topic with an open mind should have no trouble figuring out who takes the discussion seriously and who just wants to act cute.
Really, when people make this argument or argue against calling out bigotry, it suggests that they don't like people challenging the prejudiced BS that they spew. I like the idea of making bigots uncomfortable.
If I misunderstood, and you meant the problem of people feigning ignorance with the aim of shutting down a discussion that threatens their belief in a just world for everyone else and persecution for people like themselves, then yeah, there's probably no solution for that. You can't make people examine their own minds.
Anyone reading the last few pages of this topic with an open mind should have no trouble figuring out who takes the discussion seriously and who just wants to act cute.
Actually, you can, if you know how. What you can also do is make them reach the conclusions that you would like them to reach. Would you like to have that superpower?
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while you think about that
how exactly is the world just when anyone is persecuted in it?
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About the first part, do tell. About the second part, it makes sense for maintaining positive self-esteem therefore it doesn't have to make logical sense. Psychology, people! Even hyper-logical Aspies have logical inconsistencies in their thinking about their own attitudes and behavior.
Whose positive self-esteem is being maintained and isn't it done at the expense of someone else's? In which case, what is just about that?
This is a situation where there always has to be someone losing out - hence my original comment. There cannnot be agreement (solution), ever. Unless we use a ray gun and make everyones minds think exactly the same thoughts - do you think this would be a just solution?
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Not everyone maintains their self-esteem in this manner.
I can't argue for any logic in the just world belief, I can only point out that the belief exists and note that it explains a lot.
Aside from the biology of the genders... the only differences between men and women are a result of culture. Meaning, that the differences between gender in our society only exist because we believe it to be so, and behave with gender roles as an expectation.
Sexism, of any kind, is wrong... as with separate, but equal, benevolent sexism is not any better...
Women and men are different, that's not saying they don't deserve equality or justifies sexism, you as an Aspie you surely realize your brain is different yet that doesn't mean you don't deserve the same respect as NTs, right? Or do you also think that the difference between Aspies and NTs is only cultural?
Scientific researchers wouldn't agree with you that only culture makes the differences between women and men, not only they differ in sex organs and chromosomes but studies after studies of all kinds, biological, physiological, psychological, neurological, MRA Scans... show how fundamentally women and men are different, even their brain structures are different, how things process in their heads are different, how they perceive things and emotions are different, the distribution of the average IQ scores differ (like verbal vs spatial). In fact, the neurological difference between women and men's brains is probably more obvious and significant than the difference between Aspies and NTs of the same gender.
Also, culture isn't an independent entity that has emerged from nowhere, it has emerged from our nature as human beings, have you ever wondered for example, why the historic Protective role of males was and still apparent in almost all cultures? Whether in Cowboy culture, through the French Marketeer and going as far to the Samurai? Because it simply stems from a biological reality: men are physically stronger and women became much physically vulnerable during pregnancy, that biological model is due to million of years of evolution as a species.
We can be egalitarian without denying scientific and biological facts.
1) My opinions are formed from psychological papers on the subject.
2) current physiological evidence shows no differences between male and female brain structures.
3) No, High Definition Fiber Tracking has revealed different physical structures in the NT brain vs. the Autistic Spectrum braine (I discuss this in depth in my "Care and Feeding of Your Aspie" at http://wayoutonthecorner.blogspot.com
I am, however, done with this thread... it has nothing to do with you, but with the trolling behavior of some, and the sense of shame and rage I feel at the words of males or our subspecies of human.
I am willing to discuss in a private message, but not here... lest I get myself banned for calling people on their misogynistic BS
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No man has yet volunteered to gestate a fetus.
If you live with boys and girls from birth onwards, they are just different. They would still be different, even if socially expected to be identical. This is probably due to hormones more than anything else. Transgender folks generally have to take hormone supplements to be like their new gender.
I would, but right now it's sort physically impossible.
There is much more difference between two individual boys/girls than boys vs girls as whole, countless cognetive tests have shown this. Yes, there are hormones that influence things, but 1. hormone levels very in individuals and 2. two hormones do not define a person.
But that's not true.
But it doesn't actually mean that there is an inherent difference between mean and woman either, for two reasons. 1. Neuroplascity and 2. The fact the "differences" are not based on individual brains but summing up populations. Now, if you want to here something, studies have shown that there is less differences between the brains of male and females aspies, interpret that as you will.
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But that's not true.
Okay... The information I have been reading states otherwise, but I am no longer interested in debating any of this.
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No man has yet volunteered to gestate a fetus.
If you live with boys and girls from birth onwards, they are just different. They would still be different, even if socially expected to be identical. This is probably due to hormones more than anything else. Transgender folks generally have to take hormone supplements to be like their new gender.
I would, but right now it's sort physically impossible.
There is much more difference between two individual boys/girls than boys vs girls as whole, countless cognetive tests have shown this. Yes, there are hormones that influence things, but 1. hormone levels very in individuals and 2. two hormones do not define a person.
But that's not true.
But it doesn't actually mean that there is an inherent difference between mean and woman either, for two reasons. 1. Neuroplascity and 2. The fact the "differences" are not based on individual brains but summing up populations. Now, if you want to here something, studies have shown that there is less differences between the brains of male and females aspies, interpret that as you will.
While Neuroplasticity might explain some differences in adults but studies show that boys' brains develop differently in the womb due to testosterone exposure.
Why for example, toddler girls tend to speak earlier than boys? It is because of difference in neurochemicals and proteins in the brains at this stage.
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