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Is it racist to accuse someone of racism? I'm thinking specifically of a situation where someone is presumed to be racist because of their presumed race.
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08 Jan 2014, 1:46 pm

I'm thinking specifically of a situation where someone is presumed to be racist because of their presumed race.



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08 Jan 2014, 2:09 pm

In that case, yes. Belonging to a certain race doesn't make you a racist, anymore than belonging to a certain race makes you automatically a thug or robber.


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08 Jan 2014, 2:18 pm

But let's face it, an awful lot of people of that race are in fact racists. Don't you watch the news, Kraichgauer?



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08 Jan 2014, 2:26 pm

An awful lot of people in general are racist. It's like people who want to date only attractive, financially secure, well educated other people. They are discriminating against everyone else. Discrimination is not ok. Racism is fine - after all we can't go around pretending that people don't belong to different races (like I do) because a lot of people are proud of their racial heritage (weirdos, it's like people who support a football club and then think that they have made a personal achievement when their team does well. I will never understand that level of self delusion). Actually, when you are racially blind as I seem to be most of the time, you can offend people who expect you to have taken their race in consideration when making an assessment of their character. This, too, boggles my mind. I am truly from a wrong planet.

So can we please stop saying You Are Being Racist as an accusation because it's stupid. The correct expression is You Are Discriminating Based on Arbitrary and Irrelevant Factors.



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08 Jan 2014, 2:29 pm

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08 Jan 2014, 2:34 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
But let's face it, an awful lot of people of that race are in fact racists. Don't you watch the news, Kraichgauer?


And which race might that be?


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08 Jan 2014, 2:53 pm

Oh, nobody in particular I was just making an example. How about some hypothetical race that dominates the media and promotes discriminatory racial stereotypes against everybody who isn't white?



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08 Jan 2014, 3:14 pm

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Oh, nobody in particular I was just making an example. How about some hypothetical race that dominates the media and promotes discriminatory racial stereotypes against everybody who isn't white?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRqHYssR-Zw[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmgyFQNvvU[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ9RQKUp0PY[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kn2ogbiOuk[/youtube]


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08 Jan 2014, 3:25 pm

Is it racist to accuse a White person of being racist even if the person does not exhibit evidence of being racist?

Is that what you are asking?



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08 Jan 2014, 3:37 pm

I think that anyone who believes in the concept of genetic differences as definition of race is going to be racist to some extent, even if only a tiny bit where it does not really affect their actions.

I've studied too much in the field of genetics to believe that race is anything more than a cultural construct along the same lines as using religion (oir lack thereof), tribal/city/state/provincial/regional/national origin (or current status), political party, philosophical school of thought, economic status, gender, hair color, sexual orientation, IQ, or penis size as a way to split people up into little tribes of collective egocentrism.


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08 Jan 2014, 4:00 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
Oh, nobody in particular I was just making an example. How about some hypothetical race that dominates the media and promotes discriminatory racial stereotypes against everybody who isn't white?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRqHYssR-Zw[/youtube]


I like the ones that say "only with Japanese Escort." It wouldn't make any sense in a more open society, but I believe that does in Japan, and have you seen those Japanese Escorts? I also expect that you'll find most of the signs shown mean only with an escort. I tweet back and forth with @backstreetguides, who probably have someone to help you with that. Also, escorts in general can help you out in situations like that, and English skills are a real benefit anywhere in the Hospitality Industry.

tl;dr Sex work is work. You do know those signs are on sex clubs and yakuza hangouts, right?



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08 Jan 2014, 4:28 pm

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08 Jan 2014, 4:38 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
jrjones9933 wrote:
Oh, nobody in particular I was just making an example. How about some hypothetical race that dominates the media and promotes discriminatory racial stereotypes against everybody who isn't white?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmgyFQNvvU[/youtube]



When they do that around here, they have to wear hoods. Sasuga Japan.

On the serious tip, though, that is classic schoolyard definition racism. You must learn the difference between academic and schoolyard racism.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVtVJ6Kq-Pk[/youtube]



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08 Jan 2014, 4:41 pm

Racism is not hurting someone's feelings.

If you think white people are racist, that's not racism, that's racial prejudice.

Racism = Racial prejudice + Racial discrimination + structures built to oppress people in a given race.


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08 Jan 2014, 4:56 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Racism is not hurting someone's feelings.

If you think white people are racist, that's not racism, that's racial prejudice.

Racism = Racial prejudice + Racial discrimination + structures built to oppress people in a given race.


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