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14 Jan 2014, 9:53 pm

...Myself , I am really down about the fact that I never got to go to college (full-fleged) , I can cry and cry :cry: (Non-tears , anyhow , I have a hard time making tears) about it .
You see my age :( .
This doesn't relate to you , I realize- :(
I'd just like to go , somehow , in these , these later years of my life , have what I didn't have (You can read my situation) (A standard college situation would be a considerable improvement on mine now :(.)
If my life could improve a bit , and then if I could get help (Not hust financial , other as well .) in going . :cry:



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14 Jan 2014, 10:39 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
As for "expressing yourself perfectly"; the impression you give off is of someone terribly impatient who snaps at people who don't immediately guess exactly what they want and give perfect advice. You may want to work on your self-evaluation.


He does sound extremely NT, doesn't he? :D

You made a ranting emotionally charged post offer nothing to provide feedback upon, so I went to your profile to see if you were ASD diagnosed but then discovered you're an NT. I offered my advice about speaking to your profs/student services about accommodation for your difficulties, without you giving any mention of already having done that. You're response to me before swiftly editing your post was that you had done that already and that I was "0 help" and came off as something you'd expect a 14 year old snarky teenager to say in passing under their breath.

My point is, that I don't give two s**ts about some anonymous forum poster with a silver spoon shoved up his ass has to say about how hard his poor post-secondary education life is (lucky you). I addressed this due to the fact of your emotionally defensive rebuttal which you threw out immediately after me offering you legitimate advice, but hey it's not what you wanted to hear right? So like a typical NT I guess your best answer is to lash out emotionally at someone for not just posting in response "Omg you're right bro college life is so hard, sob sob sob".

Why are you here again?



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15 Jan 2014, 8:12 am

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What kind of help are you looking for? All you said was things that bothered you and that's it. But the things that bother you are things we cannot change, like other people and your feelings towards socializing. In fact, many of us share your feelings. Since you're almost done with school, just keep trekking and get it done. Then take some down time or something.

I don't know, any help that would make me feel less miserable? It may not be possible, I'm not sure at this point.

What prompted this thread: I went to one of my chemistry courses and immediately hated it. The professor will take participation throughout the semester by calling on someone at random (by looking at the class roster) to answer a question. Wtf? So now I can't even go to class in peace but have to be on edge about speaking to a class of 100+?! Obviously I'm thinking about dropping the course, but no other chemistry class will fit my schedule. I actually liked the subject too. Why do people ruin everything??? Not directed at you, Soccer22.


100+ people? May I ask what college this is at?

I sympathize with the participation in classes though. Some of my professors would add that into your final grade and many times I simply wouldn't have anything to say and just stay quiet.



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15 Jan 2014, 9:44 am

"This too shall pass." I am not even remotely religious but these words have gotten me through many a tough time. [and there have been many of them] Just remind yourself that these hated classes are just a means to an end. So, if you can, [and I believe you can] keep plugging on, remembering that soon this will be only a memory. In the meantime, feel free to vent about everything that's going on. Just don't forget to invite us to graduation ceremonies. :wink:



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15 Jan 2014, 11:23 am

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I keep coming to this place for help and never get any; this is a last ditch effort.
I'm a biochemistry major, with (hopefully) 2 semesters left.
I knew college has been a disappointment, but it's not until recently that I realized I HATE it.
It is harder for me than it is for the average person because I find the social aspect so draining. I'm not talking about partying/friends, I gave that up a while ago. I mean group assignments, disscussion, presentations, projects, and even just sitting next to people knowing they're observing me. I can't believe it's percectly acceptable to stare at the person across from you when sitting in a group circle! I've retaken 3 classes because I was uncomfortable around the professors or students. I would be graduating this semester if it weren't for that. Ironically, I came to college excited about interacting with my intelligent peers, but to my dismay, I was still labeled as a weirdo, simply for being myself. People annoy me more now than ever before. And that's the last thing I need when I'm taking my hardest classes yet. I get very little reward from passing exams because I realized eventually how arbitrary the whole thing is. But I've already spent all this money and energy. Help??


I had a different experience to you when I was at college. Although I was weird, odd, eccentric, strange etc (or so i am repeatedly told) people kind of accepted me more there. I am guessing it was because of my high grade average and the fact that I used to help them if they asked me to (they didn't demand or bully me, they asked nicely and even asked me out to a club with them a few times...I went but it was noisy and I didn't like it much). My friendships didn't last outside of college though as we had different interests and they drifted apart (that and I am not very good at staying in touch with people).

I was nervous during presentations but the lecturers were really nice about it, one even helped me out so I thought they were kind of cool.

I also hated group work as I tend to do my best work alone but that could be a mixed experience as well at times. If my grade average was well known people were more likely to listen to me, if it was not they tended to ignore that I was there and spend the whole time talking amongst themselves. I used to think I may as well be invisible. I also had trouble getting the group to understand me, I couldn't seem to explain my ideas in a way they could understand them, even in my essays. My essays were fine grade wise, the lecturers often said they were beautifully written and very well argued, but the other members of my group couldn't always see how my ideas were related all the same.

I don't seem to be able to explain the way i see the world and all the relationships I see in it to my peers in a way that is successful. It is frustrating.

I also concentrate better when working by myself, less noise, more room to think and reflect, more room to work with my own ideas and find my own methodologies. I like the freedom working alone gives me. I'd love to work for myself even now. If I could I'd self employ.

All the same, college was the only place I ever came close to feeling accepted, most people outside of college just avoid me because they think I am too odd to talk to/get to know/socialise with. I have a lot of quirks with my social difficulties...far too many quirks!

I loved being at college though, I miss it, even if I did have to give presentations and do group work (the projects where I got to work by myself made up for it, I could really let rip on them without confusing anyone!)

It seems like your social anxiety is playing up a bit. Have you seen anyone about it?

Can you talk to the tutor and explain how uncomfortable having to speak in front of people is making you?



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15 Jan 2014, 12:09 pm

You could try a few things to do with this course, and I highly recommend doing this/trying ALL these before dropping the course!! !

1. Go to the prof themselves and tell them quite honestly that your anxiety will make it impossible for you to keep going to the course because of these random calls, but that you obviously don't want to drop this course.
2. Go to the office of your academic counsellor and say the same thing as in 1. Your academic counsellor's (or whoever the equivalent is) job is help students EXACTLY like you.
3. You might have a learning disability center of some sort at your college. I know my university had a place where if you were disabled in any way shape or form, you'd go to them and they'd help you as best as they can.

I don't know how...advanced your college is in regards to allowances. But even if it's not standardized, hopefully just your professor will be understanding and kind enough to, you know, let you know perhaps the day he'll call on you, or maybe not even call on you at all.
If the prof. doesn't get it at first, then you should try to explain yourself better. Like, if you first go in and say 'My anxiety level will be too high and I'll have to drop the course if I expect you to call of me for any reason', the prof might say 'no' because they'll feel like you're pleading to his/her emotions to get out of something. But if you then go on to explain yourself further using a less 'emotional' argument, it could still work. For instance, the whole reason the prof does this is probably an attempt to keep the students paying attention, which is ultimately supposed to help the students better. But for you, it will actually make it far, far worse and the prof is doing the opposite of what they were trying to do. Especially if the anxiety will make it impossible for you to be able to pay attention. You could even (although I don't think this will work well) try saying something like 'this isn't highschool, and I don't need and definitely don't want someone forcing me to learn. It's my prerogative to learn, but your system is shutting me out from learning'. That of course is a little more attacking, and as such seems far less likely to work and far more likely for the prof to dislike you.

Keep us posted if you can fix this class problem!

Live and let live people...it's perfectly acceptable for someone's help to not be helpful at all. It's a bit rude to be so blunt as to point out that someone's post wasn't helpful, but what's done is done. It's better off to just not interact with someone who pisses you off, all of you. ALL people can be jerks. Stupid to fight over it.


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15 Jan 2014, 12:19 pm

And yeah, about group projects, I didn't do so well on them either. I've had people critique my writing for a report as unintelligible when I don't think it is. I've had the same when writing forum posts too. I just...don't notice the issue usually. It's not because I'm being lazy about it, but I had some group project people get quite pissed at me for it.

I remember once trying to talk to my classmates about something a little more cerebral when it came down to this same group project as I mentioned earlier. It was a 3rd year evolutionary psychology class and we had to do an hour long presentation about pain, and although we'd learned that pain itself serves a purpose and we went into that, I pondered out loud during our work on the presentation why pain ever evolved in the first place. Like, why couldn't instead of pain we could just experience more and less pleasure since pain, is, well painful? They gave me these blank looks like I was either the stupidest person in existence, (afterall, we'd just finished talking about why pain is useful in the first place) or that I'd grown an extra head.

(I've since mused myself about why we have pain and not just more and less pleasure, and it's probably because being in a state of 'nothing' is easiest in terms of energy expenditure. Like, if we're entirely regulated by only pleasure our resting state of nothing would need to be far more pleasurable than it is now in order to have enough of a difference that pain gives us, and that means we need more energy and we'd have to get more of it and that would have put us at a disadvantage compared to other organisms whose resting state was neutral.)


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