85 peoples as wealthy as 3.5 billions peoples

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But I am a genocidial lunatic! I favor birth control. We have a five year one time method that might not affect her sex life, but if treated at 12, she will not become pregnant till 17. A second treatment, till 22.

I would be willing to pay for the treatment, and her food and education.

Keep this up for twenty years, you have population reduction, healthy educated women, all the money not spent on half feeding babies, and all the freed up labor to improve their lot in life.

If she has one child at 23, then another five year treatment, she raises one child to five, where they have a very good survival rate. If not, she has another.

One child per woman is worth supporting. It reduces the population by half, and healthy educated mothers raise healthy educated children.

All of our foreign aid has only made things worse. Mostly it goes for machine guns for the Dictator. Food for the army.

Putting the same into paying girls, to get health care, go to school, they will take the money, and the girls can still be used for sex. Not having babies makes them even better for sex. Hotter bods, tighter stuff.

Human nature, the sex drive of men is for sex, babies are an unwanted expense.

The fifteen year old Brazilian or Nigerian girl having her third baby, they do not have the same father, she still lives with her parents. Not having children would not alter her sex life.

It would change her health, potential for education, or at least growing up, and economic status, not having to do what girls do to feed babies. She will still do it, but for clothes, shoes, makeup.

Without trying to change the culture, and for a cost of a dollar a day per girl, about $6,000 from 12 to 22, we can change the world she lives in.

In Africa, the slums of south America, more than a quarter of the population dies in ten years.

In twenty years half are gone, and the other half grew up in a different world.

A declining population creates oppertunity. After the Black Death, there were more houses and fields than people, and no one would serf for a living. It took cash wages to get workers, and that is the start of our cash economy.

Rome was 90% slave, the Dark Ages 98% serf, post Black Death, wage labor became the standard.

Huts made from piles of rocks and mud get replaced by Mason built stonework, which grew ever higher and more complex, both in building, and in the economic structure of groups forming companies, training new labor, and raising the skill level of their arts.

They were poorer and less educated than the poor of today. Population reduction is good.

The worlds poorest do work. Now they are serfs, but if that cheap labor dried up, the jobs still need to be done.

Few people had cash money, the serfs had none. The Black Death caused wage labor, and coming back a few times caused raises. Then the village as a group had more cash than their employer. They took to loaning money to the rich. They also developed their own industries, the Guild System of standards and education, which turned into the Industrial Revolution.

Stated otherwise, 3.5 billion people are as rich as the 85 richest people on earth. Plus they have the labor.

Reducing their numbers to less than a billion, they would be as rich as the richest several hundred, or thousand.

They do have the land and labor. Reducing their overhead, the cost of old people and children, produces surplus capital, which they can invest in processing the raw materials they now export. They can own the ship that transports it to market.

Economic development cannot be done by hunting down the rich. It is the poor that need to be restructured.

It starts with that girl who has been having sex for a few years and is now 11.

In Rio, Africa, Mexico, she can be bought for $100, rented for $1, and Pimp Daddy wants to buy some rights.

She has to write me letters, visit the health clinic every three months, and maybe spend summers with me, at my private girls school on the beach. It is something the culture she comes from would understand,

Pimp Daddy fixed her so she will have a smooth belly, and pert tits.

I have plans for her, so dont do anything that will make me go upside yo head.

It fits with the Legal, Medical, Religious, and Social Ethics of her community.

Do not judge me by some western standards.

In Mexico, if you see a twelve year old you want, take her by force, keep her for sex, it is all legal if you are single, and you offer to marry her. Kidnap and rape are considered courtship. The problem would come from some rich man who has paid a deposit on her future use. You would be stealing his property.

Chattel Rights are alive and well throughout South America and Africa.

Someone who pays for a girls support, can also direct her education, medical care, and have her sent to visit him. Her whole community agrees that he has purchased some rights to her. Girls sent to their Patron will obey.

Working within the system is the way to bring change.

Well, there's the creepiest thing I've read all year. Setting the bar high for 2014.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeT-hPZCQmQ[/youtube]

Libertarians want their proverbial cake and expect to chow down on them.

Its ok as long as they're not the ones picking up the tab. Little wonder so few of them aren't middle class basement dwellers with no knowledge of the big bad world.

If some of them experienced how harsh and brutal it could be, they wouldn't be so quick to diss the safety net of the welfare state. These tea party idiots with their yellow 'don't tread on me' flags for example.

As for those who come from harsh circumstances and metamorphise into libertarians, I don't know. Either they are outright misanthropes to begin with or they were lucky enough to find themselves in the right place and the right time. The free market accumulates wealth around the incumbently wealthy and passes it to their progeny. What it doesn't do is consistently reward hard graft. If that were the case, most of the southern hemisphere would attract the most wealth.

Right on. Capitalism is bringing many out of poverty by "sharing the wealth" away from America and Europe (former wealth nations and now broke nations mostly) !

We should be celebrating the greatness of these 85 people and their work to end world poverty!

Four major prongs of Western wealth sharing ...

1. Humanitarian aid from Western nations to poverty nations.

2. Immigration of poor people from nations with poverty into the Western countries to share the wealth (many Western nations setup poor people on welfare when they arrive).

3. Capitalism is moving production to lower production cost nations, and this is reducing poverty in those nations (as shown in above graph).

4. Free trade agreements to allow direct competition with foreign nations.

This means Americans/Europeans will have to embrace an ever-lowering standard of living as these forces keep acting to lower their wealth.

However, if people here are honest about their morality of wanting to end poverty, and share wealth from wealthy to non-wealthy, then this is good news? More so, it is fair. So, with regards to morality, or an argument to "fairness", then people here are arguing for the obliteration of their own standard of living. Yea!

I am honored to among such selfless people!

Of course .. if this is about trying to greedily keep wealth for oneself - by taking it from wealthier people, and using "poverty" as an excuse for why one wants to do it .. well ... then .. that is just selfishness and phoniness.

As I have said previously, the lifting of 500 million Chinese citizens out of poverty since the early 1980s is the single greatest poverty relief in the history of mankind. This feat was achieved through trade liberalization, foreign direct investments and off-shoring = textbook capitalism.

Anyone seriously concerned about the opportunities, well-being and living conditions of the poor ought to be jumping for joy at such a development...

In fact, the following would be fitting gestures:

- Temples should be built to establish worship of Saint Ricardo, Our Savior
- Monuments should be erected in memory of The Holy Prophet, Friedman the Elder (Pecuniary Awards Be Upon Him)
- We should adopt a new calendar which starts on what is today June 5, 1723... the birthday of THE LORD.

... ahem...

However, it would seem that the ever so frequent calls for the rich to show solidarity with the poor have a tendency to restrict the scope of solidarity somewhat arbitrarily to individuals closer to home than the far reaches of China (or India, for that matter).

I wonder why.

Actually, it was done with Brigade and Commune Enterprises set up in the Mao period... these were the backbone of the Deng Xioaping economy. This idea that some maquiladoras on the Chinese coast solved everything is a myth.

Source?

1- Arms trading

2- 2nd or 3rd class citizens, many enslaved. Better than the original country, sometimes, but not good.

3- At the cost of slavery.

4- Countries which enslave a part of their population should not have the right to compete in the free market in equal position.

I have to get out of the house now. I enjoyed the phoniness that preceeded and will enjoy the phoniness that follows,

Universal domination? How grandiose.

Certainly!

It's my tax payments that support the Welfare system to benefit people who don't work, so it's only fair that I should benefit from the labors of others who do the work for me.

I mean, sharing of the wealth is what the commies want, isn't it?

If an accident or illness was to befall you that meant you couldnt work anymore wouldn't you sleep better with the safety net of a welfare system that ensured you didnt end up high and dry?

You see welfare as a millstone around the necks of the individual. I see it as a collective insurance policy against hardship.

Apparently, I didn't get the memo.

Exactly where are all these slaves? I am aware of the existence of human trafficking (and Mauritania is a really nasty country), but your post suggests that most of the developing world is effectively equivalent to the antebellum Southern United States.

Apparently, I didn't get the memo.

Exactly where are all these slaves? I am aware of the existence of human trafficking (and Mauritania is a really nasty country), but your post suggests that most of the developing world is effectively equivalent to the antebellum Southern United States.[/quote]

Were you sleeping when you heard about child labour? Were you sleeping when you heard of people who work 16-20 hours a day in chinese/indian/bangladeshian/indonesian factories without the right to go to the bathroom, to the point of, sometimes, urinating and defecating themselves?

Nope. Wide awake. But ask yourself how all of these people were doing before the evil capitalists of evil came in with their evil capital of evil. In case you missed it, please let me repost a graph from earlier in this thread:



Another look demonstrating the increase in living standards in China.



And funny you should mention both (1) Bangladesh and (2) child labour in the same post, BTW. Here is an interesting story that I previously shared with WP:


So it would seem that looking at the actual facts about economic development may better serve the needs of the poor and disadvantaged than the standard displays of (feigned) moral outrage.