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24 Jan 2014, 8:20 pm

Google is starting to violate its maxim of "Don't be evil" by adopting "real name" policies that harm marginalized minority groups who participate online, in particular transgender people:

http://www.zdnet.com/google-outed-me-7000025416/


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24 Jan 2014, 8:46 pm

Man, once google started censuring the internet in China, it destroyed that phony "don't do evil" image.



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24 Jan 2014, 9:31 pm

Do you mean "censoring"?

"Censure" means to express extreme disapproval.

"Censor" means to suppress factual knowledge and restrict the freedoms of press and speech.



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24 Jan 2014, 9:35 pm

Fnord wrote:
Do you mean "censoring"?

"Censure" means to express extreme disapproval.

"Censor" means to suppress factual knowledge and restrict the freedoms of press and speech.


I mean censoring, ie, they block every site that might be a threat to the "communist" rule.



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24 Jan 2014, 9:38 pm

ModusPonens wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Do you mean "censoring"? "Censure" means to express extreme disapproval. "Censor" means to suppress factual knowledge and restrict the freedoms of press and speech.
I mean censoring, ie, they block every site that might be a threat to the "communist" rule.

Well ... it's either that, or Google does no business in Commieland at all.



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24 Jan 2014, 9:47 pm

They started around 2005. A couple of years ago there was a threat by google to stop censoring, but, afaik, they didn't stop. Maybe I'm wrong.



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24 Jan 2014, 10:07 pm

I try to keep my digital footprint so transparent to the point where I would not have to delete anything significant if problems did arise for whatever reason. Sure I am a bit paranoid, but not trusting companies with your information now is the same thing as not trusting companies with your information in the future. I don't know what policies are going to change and what my information is going to be grandfathered into through some legal bs.



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24 Jan 2014, 10:34 pm

Wow... ...what assholes

will someone have to be executed in a country where transpeople are persecuted before google step up to the parapet and accept responsibility?


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25 Jan 2014, 3:07 am

My heart goes out to the transgender woman driven to suicide after being outed by Google, as cited by the OP.


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25 Jan 2014, 3:19 am

All of this to promote their stupid social network that absolutely nobody wanted.

As for Google, as far as they know, my name is "Butt". I'm sure they could find out my actual identity, but whatever.



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25 Jan 2014, 6:13 am

And here I was, upset about my minor inconvenience in having to explain why I sometimes go by another name.

That they included a feature that had unintended consequences is not the issue. Sorry trans-folk, but it can be really hard for the rest of us to put ourselves in your shoes in every situation, we're gonna screw up sometimes. The issue is the way they ignored or dismissed the problem even after it was brought to their attention.


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25 Jan 2014, 6:32 am

Well, don't use Google. I hardly ever use my Google account, search using DuckDuckGo, and often use sites other than You(GiveUsYourData)Tube (admittedly, because I'm looking for MLP: FIM episodes, and YouTube keeps taking them down).


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25 Jan 2014, 6:39 am

Yahoo does the same crap in China. Altavista, maybe? :D

It's like trying to avoid buying products which were produced (totaly or partialy) through slavery, either in China, India, African countries, etc. It can't be done.



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25 Jan 2014, 7:48 am

mds_02 wrote:
And here I was, upset about my minor inconvenience in having to explain why I sometimes go by another name.

That they included a feature that had unintended consequences is not the issue. Sorry trans-folk, but it can be really hard for the rest of us to put ourselves in your shoes in every situation, we're gonna screw up sometimes. The issue is the way they ignored or dismissed the problem even after it was brought to their attention.


No excuses. Google puts on a big show saying they support diversity and are a leader in diversity, yet apparently they have no way of regularly getting input in order have diverse perspectives on changes that they make. I know they have trans people in their company and on their dev teams, as well as members of other groups who would be harmed by suddenly and unexpectedly having their real names revealed (see bottom of post for a link to a full list). Yet the members of those groups employed by the company gave no input. Why?

I think that Google's blaring from the rooftops about their devotion to diversity is all just a show, a way to make money, meaning that the people who run Google are hypocrites. Hypocrisy is evil, so all along Google has been violating their old maxim "Don't be evil."

Full list of groups that are harmed by "real names" policies:

http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Who_ ... _policy%3F


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25 Jan 2014, 9:01 am

Did Google Inc. violate any laws?