mild autistic disorder vs aspergers

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You are always so eloquent!

mmcool - I was wondering where you went off to - glad to see you back. I'm sorry I don't know the answer to your question.

It appears to be based on early age development

anyone?

Here is the link to the entire message from which I have quoted this reply from Marybird: http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5884771.html#5884771

Marybird wrote, and thanks for the response...:

Oddly fascinating comment, as it kind of negates what you said in a previous message about this particular autistic person not being like an infant. How would you know this unless he himself tells you his own personal story? And does Sethno need to tell you his personal story about being like an infant to get across the idea of what being like an infant means to him? He made a contextual comment which different people will interpret differently according to their own personal agendas and contexts, but whatever interpretation given is generally true to the person giving it, and your comment about this person not actually being like an infant is well taken by me, as it makes sense, and I do not need to hear your personal story to understand it.There is a general context, and also the mind is able to extrapolate in order to understand better and factor in individually perceived discrepancies,, though I do think many people do it selectively:-) They make the effort to understand when and if it suits their purpose. That is understandable, but I am not sure it leads to a more objective truth, and there is not a crystallized objective truth, imo, but there is some kind of objective data based on general physical experience.

Um, speaking of this general principle of brain function that I am calling encapsulation, if someone does not understand what i am talking about it would not be true for him. This is correct.


Actually this would not be a good idea, as a person needs to be able to perceive his own brain encapsulating in order to understand what I am talking about. So, if you give your personal story a person will omit details when he is extrapolating from it in order to apply or most likely not apply it to his own story, (and that would be too complex in order to catch the required glimpse that can only be received by turning the picture sideways), He is using left brain fine tuning to compare his own story to someone elses story, but he cannot know he is doing it until he has done it, and once he has done it he cannot see it, as it is already factored into the 'new' way he is perceiving. I put the marks around new because it is generally a repetition, and not alive in an entirely different way, or the brain, which always does need to factor out extraneous data, would not need to omit details to preserve the false sense of an independent (meaning not interdependent) self which is maintained by certain aspects of story.

Also, something even more fascinating has just occurred to me. There is no way to make the bridge between different paradigms if each person is going to decide if every other person's story applies to himself, as the discrepancy factor will do him in every time. This is why a new paradigm needs to exist based on a Whole person rather than a partial person, in that a whole person is both an individual and yet at the same time all people. He is able to both think and to BE without taking away from one to do the other. But something has to be taken away from someone somewhere:-) Or perhaps it needs to be given or else there will always be two different universes maintained by two different areas of brain function. It is the story of two and one, the solution to which brings us to three, the number of gardening, growing and regeneration and community, so one for one, each for ones brother, and each for all.

of course a self centered person will not understand this, and, Marybird, I'm definitely NOT talking about you. It does seem to me however that both an infant and this adult person described as an infant is much more self centered than a mature person, no matter how precious they are, how deep their feeling, and however unique way they process data. Because of your deep caring and sensitivity you want to include all people, and yes you should do this. It is very beautiful and imo beneficial to humanity. However, it is also necessary to look from the perspective of functional.value.

As it is maybe kind of off topic here (I don't think so, myself, but the op might), I am going to also post this on my Autistic Encapsulation thread and when I get a chance go into more detail, and maybe we can continue this discussion there if you are even interested.

And, by the way, none of this is to in anyway suggest that it is of no value for a person to not speak about his own individual experience. I think this is general the best way to approach, but this instance is a little different. I have already gone into all of this in great detail in my writings about word roots and brain function on my Playing the Autistic Card May Be Harmful To Humanity thread.

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I like just autistic disorder. Mild is more severe than most realize.

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mmcool (great name!) I have just spent about two hours (previous to writing what I just posted) researching into this subject. First, care to share why this is so interesting to you? Actually I became fascinated by what I found, but think the way you have tried to formulate the subject matter is kind of limiting. All that dsm stuff is too technical for me. If I knew why you are interested it might give me a clue about how to proceed. I am afraid anything I write may be off topic.I think sometimes it is necessary to go into different areas to approach a subject comprehensively, and for me that would be okay, as long at it brings the enquiry back home (or hone). Hmmmmmmm:-)

The one comment I do have to make now is that if you use one area of the brain more, the brain will develop more from that angle, the common equalizing factor being how well a person is able to function, and if a person starts off with mild autism or aspergers, if either is mild, as the person practices functioning he will begin using his brain in more generalized ways because he is able to participate more and more because whichever predisposition/condition he has is mild, so he will begin to develop other areas of brain function. From this perspective, if both people are able to function, it is just a subjective matter of right brain or left brain preference--whichever a person thinks and feels is better would be better. I would say to be able to use both areas of the brain flexibly and integratively would be the ideal.

Most people in general, speaking of all people, over-develop left brain function and get stuck there (but saying this is kind of simplistic, as left-brained people are less likely to be prejudiced or superstitious or blindly follow authority). All the inner meanings of the major religions of humanity are actually speaking about crystallized left-brain function and trying to address that problem in some way. Actually, from this perspective, the child who is originally approaching a bit more from right brain function might be better off psychologically than a child approaching from the angle of left brain off in terms of ultimately being more of a whole person if he is eventually able to develop left brain function more fully and be able to function in society and be self supporting, etc. His life could be much more gratifying and he would perhaps do less damage to the world than a compulsive left brain thinker. However, I was not that child and would not give up who I am.

Yes, I realize that, but the outcomes are quite similar.

i do not know how to commet on this.

autistic disorder: http://raisingchildren.net.au/articles/ ... ptoms.html
aspergers syndrome: http://raisingchildren.net.au/articles/ ... ptoms.html

Thanks for sharing this. My Perceptual Reasoning Index (aka PRI) which I believe equates to performance IQ is higher than my Verbal Comprehension Index (aka VCI) which I believe equates to verbal IQ. By a little less than 1 standard deviation. The Psychologist (who diagnosed me) did indicate that this was a bit atypical for those diagnosed with Aspergers.



Does anyone know what speech delay means? Is it simply not making any sounds at all? According to my Mom, people (including my Mom) had a hard time understanding what I was saying between the ages of 2-4. It was almost as if I was babbling. I assume that is not speech delay, but something else.

Personally, I very slightly prefer having Asperger's. But I've taken to saying iAsperger's/igh-functioning autism. Doesn't matter. I'm no different, whatever I'm called.

any real replies to my last comment with links?

I read them. The links seem informative, more so the autism one. It was pointed out to me that sometimes I really tilt my head to see from an angle.

There are autistic children and adults who display features described under Asperger's and autistic children and adults diagnosed with AS who display features described under autistic disorder.

It comes down to - for some - what gets emphasized and when they started speaking.

What exactly is your point? this topic has been done to death over the few years I've been on WP. If you go back to archived threads on differences between "mild autism", "high functioning autism" and "Aspergers" you'll find that the perception of which label best fits is in the eye of the beholder. None of the above (including Aspergers) are recognised by DSM so it's all conjecture. The current consensus (like it or not) is that autism and Aspergers have the same underlying cause but manifests differently in individuals producing the spectrum of symptoms.

ICD10 is optional in the UK but not used in either the USA or Australia.

If you want to find research that supports the claim that Aspergers IQ > HFA or mild autists, due to nueropsychological differences, then you will certainly find these (i.e. the most prominent proponents of "Aspie superiority" is the Yale Autism Program in School of Medicine at Yale University). What I find is that WP Aspie folks who want to prove they are different to Auties are basically driven by an overwhelming desire to be accepted by NTs. To quote Canadian filmaker Michael Moore..."That's the awful truth"