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13 Feb 2014, 10:15 am

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I gave the Halestorm cover of "Slave to the Grind" another listen, and I still think the original version is much heavier and more metallic. The Halestorm version sounds like hard rock trying to "ape" metal. :P I think the production actually has a lot to do with it too though; the Skid Row version sounds much "dirtier" and has more of an obvious bass groove.

The type of melodeath I like isn't so much the kind that In Flames plays, as the type that Children of Bodom plays. In reality though, I would call CoB blackened power thrash rather than melodeath.

Atreyu kind of reminds me of Billy Talent, with a slightly heavier edge. I might have to look into them, as I rather like that sound. Metalcore tends to get a lot of sh** from metalheads, but I actually really like it. I consider it more of an offshoot of pop-punk than a type of metal.

Ugh, Crush 40. Their instrumental stuff is alright, but I don't care for their vocals. It fits perfectly with Sonic Adventure 2 however, and I should know this as I replayed it not too long ago. It's one of those games where I like it mainly for nostalgia value, and not necessarily because it's actually a decent game. I mean, some of the gameplay elements were good, but it had far too many problems with the camera and the controls, not to mention the cheesy voice acting and plot. Sorry, I went off-topic there. :P Crush 40 and SA2 are just intrinsically-linked to me.

It's funny you ask what kind of metal I usually listen to, because I don't actually have a preferred genre of metal, and most of the time I don't usually listen to straight-up metal; instead, I'm usually listening to industrial or one of the many forms of alternative rock, like grunge, nu-metal, pop-punk, or whatever. My favorite "metal" band however is actually Metallica, and even then they've done a lot of genre experimentation. They started out thrash in the early 80s, ventured into progressive thrash in the mid-late 80s, stripped their sound back to conventional heavy metal in the early 90s, experimented with everything from alternative blues rock to country music and symphonic metal in the mid-late 90s, did a thrash/nu-metal album in the early 2000s, then returned to heavy/thrash metal in the late 2000s. And let's not forget the infamous collaboration they did with the late Lou Reed a few years back, which I would consider art-rock.


I actually think the Halestorm production is what makes it sound heavier to me, as I don't associate dirty with heavy, so there you go. Like I find death metal to sound heavier than grindcore for that reason alone, because you can actually hear everything heavy riff instead of them all just fading into noise. Also, I consider bass licks to be more rock than metal because metal generally puts less emphasis on the bass than rock does. Whatever.

Are you only familiar with new In Flames, or do you know their old stuff as well? Like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ2pT6mBrTM&feature=kp[/youtube]
I think Children of Bodom has sick neoclassical riffs and overall awesome instrumental work, but the vocals aren't as good.

I think most Atreyu songs are significantly heavier than that one, it's just the first one I found. Metalcore came out of post-hardcore, not pop punk, big difference. Only like A Day To Remember sounds like pop punk. Anyway, even though it came out of the "hardcore" scene (real hardcore punk fans frown heavily on modern post-hardcore as it's not punk in the slightest) I consider metalcore to musically be metal. As for how I like it, I like melodic metalcore riffs, and the chorus vocals are catchy, but breakdowns suck and the screams in metalcore suck.

Crush 40 is the best part of the 3d Sonic games. :P

Well we are discussing metal, so it would be natural to discuss metal. :P I like pretty much all types of rock, but metal and alternative are probably my favorites, prog and punk also rate high. Within metal my favorite genres are probably symphonic, progressive, alternative, power, traditional, and melodeath. My rank for hard rock vs heavy metal is based on my preference of traditional heavy metal over hard rock, though their are plenty of hard rock groups that I prefer over plenty of metal groups. Eh, I never really liked Metallica much, I mean I don't dislike them and I like their songs when I listen to them, but they've never had much particular appeal to me. In general I'm not a big fan of thrash, though Metallica would probably be my second favorite thrash band after Anthrax.


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14 Feb 2014, 3:46 am

I don't usually associate modern rock production with metal, unless you're talking about symphonic or power metal. Different production styles fit different subgenres in my mind; for thrash or death metal, I like the "gritty", raw production that was common in the 80s and early-to-mid 90s. For normal "heavy" metal or anything really technical, I like the production to be fairly clean, with a good amount of breathing room for each of the individual instruments. This production style was common for rock music as a whole from the 1960s until the mid 1990s, when producers discovered they could catch the attention of naive listeners and make their records louder by reducing the dynamic range, which to an audiophile's ears actually makes things sound worse. With power metal and symphonic metal, as these are newer subgenres I've honestly kind of gotten used to hearing them with over-compressed dynamics-be-damned production, like you hear with most modern rock music. It would be *nice* if a producer out there working on a symphonic metal album actually decided to respect the symphonic component and ditch the compression, but I can't see this happening any time soon.

As for bass grooves being more of a rock thing than a metal thing, well, give this a listen. ;)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G5rfPISIwo[/youtube]

Also this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg92QpjRcJk[/youtube]

See? Basses have their place in metal. Metal wouldn't be the same without them! :D

Anyhow, about In Flames, I will admit that I've mainly only heard their newer stuff, but "Stand Ablaze" actually sounds pretty sick. It actually reminds me of CoB, in that it combines technical playing with black metal-esque vocals. Maybe that's why CoB are considered melodeath; they were referring to THIS melodeath and not the bastardized later versions. ;)

As far as vocal styles go, I somewhat prefer black metal style vocals to typical death metal vocals, as I find that a lot of death metal vocalists sound too similar, though that's not to say I can't appreciate good death growls.

Taste in games, as well as music, is highly subjective, but I would probably absolutely hate SA2 if it weren't for the fact that I played the living crap out of it as a kid.

At one time I fancied myself a "metalhead", but ever since I branched out and discovered that there's more to music than just metal, nowadays I merely consider myself a "fan" of metal. You can thank Nine Inch Nails for this; I was drawn in by songs like "Wish" and "March of the Pigs", which are two of their most metallic songs, and I eventually discovered that I enjoyed their non-metallic material as well. In fact, I would say that my favorite NIN album is actually "Pretty Hate Machine", which is one of the *least* metallic records they've ever recorded. It has more in common with Depeche Mode and Skinny Puppy than with Ministry.



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14 Feb 2014, 8:06 am

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I don't usually associate modern rock production with metal, unless you're talking about symphonic or power metal. Different production styles fit different subgenres in my mind; for thrash or death metal, I like the "gritty", raw production that was common in the 80s and early-to-mid 90s. For normal "heavy" metal or anything really technical, I like the production to be fairly clean, with a good amount of breathing room for each of the individual instruments. This production style was common for rock music as a whole from the 1960s until the mid 1990s, when producers discovered they could catch the attention of naive listeners and make their records louder by reducing the dynamic range, which to an audiophile's ears actually makes things sound worse. With power metal and symphonic metal, as these are newer subgenres I've honestly kind of gotten used to hearing them with over-compressed dynamics-be-damned production, like you hear with most modern rock music. It would be *nice* if a producer out there working on a symphonic metal album actually decided to respect the symphonic component and ditch the compression, but I can't see this happening any time soon.

As for bass grooves being more of a rock thing than a metal thing, well, give this a listen. ;)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G5rfPISIwo[/youtube]

Also this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg92QpjRcJk[/youtube]

See? Basses have their place in metal. Metal wouldn't be the same without them! :D

Anyhow, about In Flames, I will admit that I've mainly only heard their newer stuff, but "Stand Ablaze" actually sounds pretty sick. It actually reminds me of CoB, in that it combines technical playing with black metal-esque vocals. Maybe that's why CoB are considered melodeath; they were referring to THIS melodeath and not the bastardized later versions. ;)

As far as vocal styles go, I somewhat prefer black metal style vocals to typical death metal vocals, as I find that a lot of death metal vocalists sound too similar, though that's not to say I can't appreciate good death growls.

Taste in games, as well as music, is highly subjective, but I would probably absolutely hate SA2 if it weren't for the fact that I played the living crap out of it as a kid.

At one time I fancied myself a "metalhead", but ever since I branched out and discovered that there's more to music than just metal, nowadays I merely consider myself a "fan" of metal. You can thank Nine Inch Nails for this; I was drawn in by songs like "Wish" and "March of the Pigs", which are two of their most metallic songs, and I eventually discovered that I enjoyed their non-metallic material as well. In fact, I would say that my favorite NIN album is actually "Pretty Hate Machine", which is one of the *least* metallic records they've ever recorded. It has more in common with Depeche Mode and Skinny Puppy than with Ministry.


I'm not saying I associate modern rock production with metal, just that it sounds heavier IMO, possible because modern rock in general is heavier. I associate a dirtier, lo-fi sound with punk.

Of course basses have a place in metal, but generally basses have less of a role in metal than they do in other rock genres.

Latter In Flames isn't really melodeath, it's melodeath infused with alternative metal, and their latest album is just straight alternative metal.

I'm not sure if I'm more of a metalhead or a rocker. With NIN, I like most their songs, metaller or mostly electronic, but March of the Pigs is still probably my favorite song by them.


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14 Feb 2014, 4:35 pm

I've found that if you have a good, loud set of speakers, a lot of older music actually sounds much better-produced than newer stuff. Newer stuff is often made to sound superficially better on small speakers and cheap earbuds, due to the fact that the compressed dynamic range better "fits" the capabilities of small speakers, but when you play it on a quality sound system, the defects in the sound become more apparent. Likewise, when you listen to older music on smaller speakers and such, the dynamics and small intricacies get lost since cheap speakers are simply not made to handle those things.

Now, I'm not saying that cost should be the main determining factor in finding a good set of headphones or speakers. Apple earbuds are insanely popular, and expensive, but I find that they sound like absolute shite. With this cheap pair of Philips earbuds I found in an airport gift shop however, I paid less than half as much as a new pair of Apple earbuds would have cost, and found that they delivered much much better sound quality. They weren't the absolute best ones I had ever heard, but they came pretty damn close.

Sorry, I went a bit off topic... again. I am rather picky about sound quality though, and I am NOT a fan of what is known as "the loudness war". I tend to prefer listening to music with clear production that I can listen to at comfortable volumes, rather than over-compressed, louder-than-loud crap designed to be blasted through a teenager's iPod earbuds or some car audio system with a subwoofer that sounds like a swarm of bees.

That's my rant about modern music production, I kind of have "golden ears" as they say, and I've spent far too much time listening to music on gigantic sound systems with eccentric 40 and 50 somethings. :D

Back to topic, like I mentioned before, I like my metal, but I'm definitely more of an alternative listener and a rivethead. I tried the whole holier-than-thou metalhead thing before, and while that side of me still comes up occasionally, I don't really consider myself a "real" metalhead anymore. I'm more likely to be listening to KoRn than Cannibal Corpse, let's just put it that way. :P



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14 Feb 2014, 6:33 pm

Not a bad site, but I think they should be more inclusive, though I do understand their reasoning. I think they should accept metalcore/deathcore (even if more strongly rooted in hardcore), industrial and djent stuff.



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14 Feb 2014, 10:04 pm

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Not a bad site, but I think they should be more inclusive, though I do understand their reasoning. I think they should accept metalcore/deathcore (even if more strongly rooted in hardcore), industrial and djent stuff.


I say that metalcore and especially deathcore are musically more rooted in extreme metal than hardcore, because crossover thrash was halfway between thrash and hardcore and thus slightly more on the hardcore than metal side, while metalcore is significantly more metallic than crossover thrash, but whatever. It's grindcore which I would say is more rooted in hardcore, being halfway between death metal and hard, rather than deathcore which is halfway between death metal and metalcore. The reason it appears rooted in hardcore is because that's what the scene kids are playing, moder post-hardcore has more metal in it than classical hardcore, whereas grindcore has been adopted by metalheads. Whatever, either way they are significantly hardcore influenced.


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14 Feb 2014, 10:11 pm

Ganondox wrote:
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Not a bad site, but I think they should be more inclusive, though I do understand their reasoning. I think they should accept metalcore/deathcore (even if more strongly rooted in hardcore), industrial and djent stuff.


I say that metalcore and especially deathcore are musically more rooted in extreme metal than hardcore, because crossover thrash was halfway between thrash and hardcore and thus slightly more on the hardcore than metal side, while metalcore is significantly more metallic than crossover thrash, but whatever. It's grindcore which I would say is more rooted in hardcore, being halfway between death metal and hard, rather than deathcore which is halfway between death metal and metalcore. The reason it appears rooted in hardcore is because that's what the scene kids are playing, moder post-hardcore has more metal in it than classical hardcore, whereas grindcore has been adopted by metalheads. Whatever, either way they are significantly hardcore influenced.

Yeah, I agree with that. But I can understand why they distinguish between As I Lay Dying style metalcore and August Burns Red or Underoath style metalcore. I can't really think of an instance where deathcore is more hardcore than metal though.

If I were to start a website like MA, I would include hardcore and all it's variants. I think a heavy music site is more useful than just a metal site.



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14 Feb 2014, 11:52 pm

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If I were to start a website like MA, I would include hardcore and all it's variants. I think a heavy music site is more useful than just a metal site.


Amen to that. Even though I myself am guilty of metal elitism, ultimately it's just a silly waste of time, especially when you consider how many bands nowadays blur the lines between hard rock/metal/punk/industrial/whatever. If it's heavy rock music, it should fit, no bones about it. Even if heavy rock isn't a band's main focus, and they've only written a few heavy songs, they should still be included. I mean, The Beatles wrote "Helter Skelter", which is arguably one of the first metal songs ever.



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15 Feb 2014, 11:12 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
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If I were to start a website like MA, I would include hardcore and all it's variants. I think a heavy music site is more useful than just a metal site.


Amen to that. Even though I myself am guilty of metal elitism, ultimately it's just a silly waste of time, especially when you consider how many bands nowadays blur the lines between hard rock/metal/punk/industrial/whatever. If it's heavy rock music, it should fit, no bones about it. Even if heavy rock isn't a band's main focus, and they've only written a few heavy songs, they should still be included. I mean, The Beatles wrote "Helter Skelter", which is arguably one of the first metal songs ever.


Amen. It's a lot more convenient AND useful to simply lump all heavy rock together, though I'm not sure I'd go to all heavy music as I'm not sure dubstep and the like is well lumped in with the rest.


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16 Feb 2014, 3:48 am

Ganondox wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
UndeadToaster wrote:
If I were to start a website like MA, I would include hardcore and all it's variants. I think a heavy music site is more useful than just a metal site.


Amen to that. Even though I myself am guilty of metal elitism, ultimately it's just a silly waste of time, especially when you consider how many bands nowadays blur the lines between hard rock/metal/punk/industrial/whatever. If it's heavy rock music, it should fit, no bones about it. Even if heavy rock isn't a band's main focus, and they've only written a few heavy songs, they should still be included. I mean, The Beatles wrote "Helter Skelter", which is arguably one of the first metal songs ever.


Amen. It's a lot more convenient AND useful to simply lump all heavy rock together, though I'm not sure I'd go to all heavy music as I'm not sure dubstep and the like is well lumped in with the rest.


That's why I specifically said heavy rock music. ;)



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18 Feb 2014, 8:50 am

I think sub-genres of metal are becoming way too granular, and with the derivatives of each sub-genre, it gets even more convoluted, eg., Thrash metal (one of my favorite sub-genres) has derivatives of Crossover, Groove and Teutonic. I guess it's fun to try and classify bands into one sub-genre or derivative, but when it gets argumentative then it's no longer fun. And being that metal is an art form, there will always be a level of subjectivity and "creative differences" between us all.

That being said, I think we can all agree that there are certain elements that define the difference between metal, rock, pop, and punk, but some bands combine some or all (or more) elements to define their sound. For instance, I love Anthrax because they've melded elements of punk and thrash (some alternative when John Bush was the lead singer and also some rap elements) to make their own style of groove metal. Their rhythms are awesome and they usually have songs with catchy riffs. They're typically not poppy, but they have songs with hooks that you hear in many pop songs. Alternatively, A7X as of late I would consider more rock than metal (almost pop-ish at times) and have clearly moved away from the metal (metalcore) sound they had with Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, Waking the Fallen and City of Evil. Still...they are still metal in my eyes because their thick sound and riffing is more a metal element than a pop/rock element.



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Metal archives is a good source if you looking for new bands to check out but the forum especially the politic threads are the worst! If you have any unpopular opinions chances are that you can get either bashed on there a lot or even banned. The mods especially is the worse I've ever come across on the internet. So extremely condescending and look down on you if you're not part of their little cult. The Irc of it is even worse because it's like a war zone over there.

I've been checking out this pretty cool site: http://forcesofsteel.com/forums/index.php