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15 Apr 2014, 5:41 am

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Aspie women have it far easier because of their ability to sell their sex; it doesn't matter how disenfranchised a woman is, in the end she will always be able to sell her sex to find a partner. Men don't have that option.

Which reminds me of something i heard from a book, "Female victims attract men, male victims repel everyone", might be paraphrasing abit, but the book was called 'The Myth of Male Power'.


That's a grim view all round.

For all this 'women have it easier with sex', there are a lot of women that a lot of men would not sleep with. These women simply don't register as sexual beings, so get left out of the count. All this 'women aren't interested in me' - I'll bet there's at least a few that are, and you haven't noticed. Not just down to some ASD thing, but because you simply wouldn't consider them sexually attractive.

Bold = bollocks. And if someone was attracted to you because you were a victim - how f***ing creepy!


In hiking trips, males are way more likely to voluntarily help women struggling climbing/walking on hard cliff (pushing the back, pulling hand, holding someone about to fall...etc) than the other way around; and they are more likely to help women than helping other men but still do in hard cases while women never offer help, including my female friends, they watched me still several times while I was about to slip :-/ something that I never did when it was reversed regardless of their gender/age, I help everyone. ( and I am petit so it's not the body size).

The only women who ever helped me or offered help in hiking trips were guides, it's their job. Yet males are more likely to slip in hiking trips due to their larger feet.



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15 Apr 2014, 6:16 am

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Men are more likely to be single and homeless, but women are more likely to be homeless with children. However the majority of all homeless people are single males making over 70% in most surveys.

That should tell you something: Males with no jobs have no value in society and jobless single moms are seen less valuable and "damaged goods" than jobless single women.


But If a women is smart use her sex to avoid situations of homelessness in the first place, men don't have that safety-net, so they're more prone to become homeless, and if she's single with child, there's a chance that she might be receiving child-support, which helps her odds a fair bit.

I do wonder how the support infrastructure concerning the homeless treat the males in contrast with the females, I suspect that society wants to protect the women much more than the males but I don't have any data on that.



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15 Apr 2014, 6:23 am

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Aspie women have it far easier because of their ability to sell their sex; it doesn't matter how disenfranchised a woman is, in the end she will always be able to sell her sex to find a partner. Men don't have that option.

Which reminds me of something i heard from a book, "Female victims attract men, male victims repel everyone", might be paraphrasing abit, but the book was called 'The Myth of Male Power'.


That's a grim view all round.

For all this 'women have it easier with sex', there are a lot of women that a lot of men would not sleep with. These women simply don't register as sexual beings, so get left out of the count. All this 'women aren't interested in me' - I'll bet there's at least a few that are, and you haven't noticed. Not just down to some ASD thing, but because you simply wouldn't consider them sexually attractive.

Bold = bollocks. And if someone was attracted to you because you were a victim - how f***ing creepy!


I don't think it's saying that the male is attracted to her because she's a victim, it's because she still has something to offer in the relationship that she can still attract males regardless of her circumstance, which i think is the sex she can provide, the male victim cannot sell his sex, so he falls into total obscurity.

But for women not sexually registering with males...I find that hard to believe, in a world where a 400ilb woman can be perceived as the most hot thing on the planet for so many (BBW is very popular on porn sites), there is just so much wiggle room in regards to her attraction, boobs are too small? plenty of guys like that. too big? plenty of guys like that.

But for the male, there isn't any such attraction, a powerless male is absolutely revolting in the eyes of society.

I don't think it's a grim view, I think it's a sad view, makes us seem more like animals but I think the truth is... we are just animals.



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15 Apr 2014, 6:27 am

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Men are more likely to be single and homeless, but women are more likely to be homeless with children. However the majority of all homeless people are single males making over 70% in most surveys.

That should tell you something: Males with no jobs have no value in society and jobless single moms are seen less valuable and "damaged goods" than jobless single women.


Depends on the society and the social safety net.

I faced homelessness when I was younger. I went to the local authority, to see about social housing. They have a limited stock, so work a points based system. The more vulnerable you are, the more points you get. So, age, physical health, mental illness, children, family etc all considered and factored in. And, yes, gender. Women are more likely to be attacked than men if homeless. So, they are more vulnerable. So, they get more points.

The obvious answer is to have much, much more social housing.


And homeless women with kids are less vulnerable than homeless single women how?

Approximately 44% of homeless people in Australia are female while 56% are males.



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15 Apr 2014, 6:28 am

About this 'do men or women have it worse' thing.

During the flu season, who has it worse ?
In a famine ?
If you have cancer ?
When there is no electricity ?
During a zombie apocalypse ?
If you run out of toilet paper ?
When there is a really long line at the movie theatre ?

Is being Latvian a factor ?
Does height come into the equation ?
Do vitamins help ?
Is belief in Santa Klaus significant ?
And does cheating on exams change the outcome ?



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15 Apr 2014, 6:29 am

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About this 'do men or women have it worse' thing.

During the flu season, who has it worse ?
In a famine ?
If you have cancer ?
When there is no electricity ?
During a zombie apocalypse ?
If you run out of toilet paper ?
When there is a really long line at the movie theatre ?

Is being Latvian a factor ?
Does height come into the equation ?
Do vitamins help ?
Is belief in Santa Klaus significant ?
And does cheating on exams change the outcome ?


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15 Apr 2014, 6:46 am

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Aspie women have it far easier because of their ability to sell their sex; it doesn't matter how disenfranchised a woman is, in the end she will always be able to sell her sex to find a partner. Men don't have that option.

Which reminds me of something i heard from a book, "Female victims attract men, male victims repel everyone", might be paraphrasing abit, but the book was called 'The Myth of Male Power'.


That's a grim view all round.

For all this 'women have it easier with sex', there are a lot of women that a lot of men would not sleep with. These women simply don't register as sexual beings, so get left out of the count. All this 'women aren't interested in me' - I'll bet there's at least a few that are, and you haven't noticed. Not just down to some ASD thing, but because you simply wouldn't consider them sexually attractive.

Bold = bollocks. And if someone was attracted to you because you were a victim - how f***ing creepy!


I don't think it's saying that the male is attracted to her because she's a victim, it's because she still has something to offer in the relationship that she can still attract males regardless of her circumstance, which i think is the sex she can provide, the male victim cannot sell his sex, so he falls into total obscurity.

But for women not sexually registering with males...I find that hard to believe, in a world where a 400ilb woman can be perceived as the most hot thing on the planet for so many (BBW is very popular on porn sites), there is just so much wiggle room in regards to her attraction, boobs are too small? plenty of guys like that. too big? plenty of guys like that.

But for the male, there isn't any such attraction, a powerless male is absolutely revolting in the eyes of society.

I don't think it's a grim view, I think it's a sad view, makes us seem more like animals but I think the truth is... we are just animals.


What I meant by 'registering as a sexual being' is that just about every man has lots of women who they simply don't see that way. I don't think the idea that any and every man will have sex with any woman at the drop of a hat is true.

If all you want from a woman is a hole in which to stick your penis, it's not that difficult. If that is your only requirement. Even if you think you have nothing beside said penis to offer. Men with little in the way of power and money and looks get laid all the time.

And if a woman gets to a point where she has to 'sell' her sex - for, what, some sort of companionship? - that's not exactly a pleasant position to be in.


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15 Apr 2014, 6:58 am

Toy_Soldier wrote:
About this 'do men or women have it worse' thing.

During the flu season, who has it worse ?
In a famine ?
If you have cancer ?
When there is no electricity ?
During a zombie apocalypse ?
If you run out of toilet paper ?
When there is a really long line at the movie theatre ?

Is being Latvian a factor ?
Does height come into the equation ?
Do vitamins help ?
Is belief in Santa Klaus significant ?
And does cheating on exams change the outcome ?



Let's troll.

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During the flu season, who has it worse ?
Male sneeze is louder :lol:.

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In a famine ?
In Irish famine less men survived than women, that possibly due to lower body fat and less access to help.

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Kate Macintyre’s contribution addressed an issue which would recur frequently during our deliberations at Les Treilles, viz. why females seemed to survive famine better than men. Given the lower life expectancy of females during ‘normal’ times in famine-prone environments, this is an interesting and important question. Macintyre set out six possible mechanisms that could explain this mortality advantage, using the case of the Great Irish famine (1846-50) as a case study. The mechanisms are: (1) a spurious reading of poor data, which exacerbate the problem of ‘missing’ women so that their deaths are less likely to be reported than deaths of men; (2) a concurrent decline in fertility which lowers the risk of pregnancy and hence maternal mortality; (3) a biological argument that says women are less likely to die from starvation because of higher body fat levels, lower energy consumption, or possibly higher resistance to disease; (4) differential individual and group survival strategies, in particular in relation to migration and to the acquisition of knowledge of famine foods; (5) the particular political and social structures which may discriminate against women in ‘normal’ times, but act in their favour in times of great stress; and (6) emotional or moral factors associated with differential notions of pride, which may mean that women reach places of assistance (the workhouse or the refugee camp, for instance) in a less worse state than men. Macintyre’s reading of the Irish evidence prompted her to opt tentatively for (6).

http://archive.iussp.org/Activities/scp ... -rep99.php

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When there is no electricity ?
Men of course! Men are way more visual :lol: (pun intended).

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During a zombie apocalypse ?
Male brain is bigger in size, also men have two brains. :lol:

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If you run out of toilet paper ?
In case of peeing or pooping? :lol:

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Is belief in Santa Klaus significant ?


Santa Klaus is probably a sexist figure; why Mrs Klaus has to stay at home? :lol:


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And does cheating on exams change the outcome ?


Not the outcome but girls have more options to hide papers, male teachers wouldn't dare to check cleavages or skirts. :lol:



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15 Apr 2014, 6:59 am

Hopper wrote:
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Aspie women have it far easier because of their ability to sell their sex; it doesn't matter how disenfranchised a woman is, in the end she will always be able to sell her sex to find a partner. Men don't have that option.

Which reminds me of something i heard from a book, "Female victims attract men, male victims repel everyone", might be paraphrasing abit, but the book was called 'The Myth of Male Power'.


That's a grim view all round.

For all this 'women have it easier with sex', there are a lot of women that a lot of men would not sleep with. These women simply don't register as sexual beings, so get left out of the count. All this 'women aren't interested in me' - I'll bet there's at least a few that are, and you haven't noticed. Not just down to some ASD thing, but because you simply wouldn't consider them sexually attractive.

Bold = bollocks. And if someone was attracted to you because you were a victim - how f***ing creepy!


I don't think it's saying that the male is attracted to her because she's a victim, it's because she still has something to offer in the relationship that she can still attract males regardless of her circumstance, which i think is the sex she can provide, the male victim cannot sell his sex, so he falls into total obscurity.

But for women not sexually registering with males...I find that hard to believe, in a world where a 400ilb woman can be perceived as the most hot thing on the planet for so many (BBW is very popular on porn sites), there is just so much wiggle room in regards to her attraction, boobs are too small? plenty of guys like that. too big? plenty of guys like that.

But for the male, there isn't any such attraction, a powerless male is absolutely revolting in the eyes of society.

I don't think it's a grim view, I think it's a sad view, makes us seem more like animals but I think the truth is... we are just animals.


What I meant by 'registering as a sexual being' is that just about every man has lots of women who they simply don't see that way. I don't think the idea that any and every man will have sex with any woman at the drop of a hat is true.

If all you want from a woman is a hole in which to stick your penis, it's not that difficult. If that is your only requirement. Even if you think you have nothing beside said penis to offer. Men with little in the way of power and money and looks get laid all the time.

And if a woman gets to a point where she has to 'sell' her sex - for, what, some sort of companionship? - that's not exactly a pleasant position to be in.


If I had to choose between being alone or to be just a "hole to poke" just for companionship, I would surely choose to be alone.
I am not desperate for companionship, I am quite happy living alone. To have a partner in life is very nice but not a necessity, at least not for me.

I don't believe it is a very pleasant position.


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15 Apr 2014, 7:41 am

Those big-boobed co-workers of mine are NOT Aspies. Aspie women and NT women are not at all the same, contrary to the tendency here on WP to lump them all together in one deplorable, irrelevant heap.



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15 Apr 2014, 7:49 am

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Those big-boobed co-workers of mine are NOT Aspies. Aspie women and NT women are not at all the same, contrary to the tendency here on WP to lump them all together in one deplorable, irrelevant heap.



NTs are the vast majority of the human population and we are talking about women and men generally, not about aspies and nts.

Aspie numbers are statistically insignificant.



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15 Apr 2014, 8:06 am

What do big boobs have to do with it?


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15 Apr 2014, 11:12 am

Klowglas wrote:
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Men are more likely to be single and homeless, but women are more likely to be homeless with children. However the majority of all homeless people are single males making over 70% in most surveys.

That should tell you something: Males with no jobs have no value in society and jobless single moms are seen less valuable and "damaged goods" than jobless single women.


But If a women is smart use her sex to avoid situations of homelessness in the first place, men don't have that safety-net, so they're more prone to become homeless


How is that a safety net, if a woman uses her sex to avoid homelessness that sounds like desperation....yes I am sure the best course of action for a woman facing homelessness is find a man with a house/apartment and say 'I'll have sex with you if you let me stay in your house' :roll: That is essentially prostitution except instead of trading sex for money its trading it for housing. I mean if both parties agree to this arrangement great its really not my business.....however it could be easy for a woman to offer this to the wrong man and end up in an abusive situation, also there is the fact some people aren't comfortable trading sex for things.


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15 Apr 2014, 11:20 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Men are more likely to be single and homeless, but women are more likely to be homeless with children. However the majority of all homeless people are single males making over 70% in most surveys.

That should tell you something: Males with no jobs have no value in society and jobless single moms are seen less valuable and "damaged goods" than jobless single women.


Depends on the society and the social safety net.

I faced homelessness when I was younger. I went to the local authority, to see about social housing. They have a limited stock, so work a points based system. The more vulnerable you are, the more points you get. So, age, physical health, mental illness, children, family etc all considered and factored in. And, yes, gender. Women are more likely to be attacked than men if homeless. So, they are more vulnerable. So, they get more points.

The obvious answer is to have much, much more social housing.


And homeless women with kids are less vulnerable than homeless single women how?

Approximately 44% of homeless people in Australia are female while 56% are males.


I don't know. There are a lot of variables to consider. One that occurs to me is women taking the kids and leaving an abusive partner - in the UK, such a thing could be considered intetionally making oneself homeless, in which case the local authority is not obliged to help.

I was just giving my own experience of the system in the UK - in that system, the woman with kids would be given more points than the one without. Unfortunately, that in no way guarantees a home - it just means she and her kids would be higher on the waiting list.

The system itself is woefully underfunded, and has little available housing stock.

In my experience, providing a good social housing programme is not something that wins votes. It's not whether or not society and its politicians cares more about 'lost' men or 'lost' women, but that society doesn't give much of a hoot for the lost at all.


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15 Apr 2014, 11:29 am

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Men are more likely to be single and homeless, but women are more likely to be homeless with children. However the majority of all homeless people are single males making over 70% in most surveys.

That should tell you something: Males with no jobs have no value in society and jobless single moms are seen less valuable and "damaged goods" than jobless single women.


But If a women is smart use her sex to avoid situations of homelessness in the first place, men don't have that safety-net, so they're more prone to become homeless


How is that a safety net, if a woman uses her sex to avoid homelessness that sounds like desperation....yes I am sure the best course of action for a woman facing homelessness is find a man with a house/apartment and say 'I'll have sex with you if you let me stay in your house' :roll: That is essentially prostitution except instead of trading sex for money its trading it for housing. I mean if both parties agree to this arrangement great its really not my business.....however it could be easy for a woman to offer this to the wrong man and end up in an abusive situation, also there is the fact some people aren't comfortable trading sex for things.


Yeah, I really don't see how the hell that's a 'safety-net'. It's not. It's making yourself utterly vulnerable to someone likely abusive - I can only imagine they are, to agree to such a thing in the firstplace.

You may as well say a man can turn to mugging or robbery or being a drug mule or squatting as a 'safety-net'.


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15 Apr 2014, 12:15 pm

Hopper wrote:
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Men are more likely to be single and homeless, but women are more likely to be homeless with children. However the majority of all homeless people are single males making over 70% in most surveys.

That should tell you something: Males with no jobs have no value in society and jobless single moms are seen less valuable and "damaged goods" than jobless single women.


Depends on the society and the social safety net.

I faced homelessness when I was younger. I went to the local authority, to see about social housing. They have a limited stock, so work a points based system. The more vulnerable you are, the more points you get. So, age, physical health, mental illness, children, family etc all considered and factored in. And, yes, gender. Women are more likely to be attacked than men if homeless. So, they are more vulnerable. So, they get more points.

The obvious answer is to have much, much more social housing.


And homeless women with kids are less vulnerable than homeless single women how?

Approximately 44% of homeless people in Australia are female while 56% are males.


I don't know. There are a lot of variables to consider. One that occurs to me is women taking the kids and leaving an abusive partner - in the UK, such a thing could be considered intetionally making oneself homeless, in which case the local authority is not obliged to help.

I was just giving my own experience of the system in the UK - in that system, the woman with kids would be given more points than the one without. Unfortunately, that in no way guarantees a home - it just means she and her kids would be higher on the waiting list.

The system itself is woefully underfunded, and has little available housing stock.

In my experience, providing a good social housing programme is not something that wins votes. It's not whether or not society and its politicians cares more about 'lost' men or 'lost' women, but that society doesn't give much of a hoot for the lost at all.



No, it's all down to the fact that jobless women are way more likely to get married with a working partner than the other way around; studies show that only a tiny % of women would ever date a jobless man while most men are indifferent. In your country, housedads only make 1% of fathers despite it's highly liberal.

When it comes to jobless single moms, those are viewed as less marriage material hence why this high % among homeless.

They say nothing about homeless men with kids, their kids probably stayed with their moms.



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