Hypothetical Polish-Nazi Germany alliance?

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In Poland, some historians argue that Poland should enter into an alliance with the Axis and not the Allies.
This historian argues that the Western Allies betrayed Poland and left at the mercy of Stalin. And if there was an alliance with Hitler and the German diplomacy take such action in the early 30's, it had the Germans possessed 40 divisions that Poland had, it Operation Barbarossa would be different Germany would win Moscow, and the Soviet Union would cease to exist, much earlier and it would no be t Cold War.
And Poland would be spared 40 years of communist rule.

Actually Poland was the bravest country in the war. The Poles should have stood up and they did. They did not accept their fate. The allies were battle weary after the initial invasion of France to push back those Russians.
You raise a valid point, the resistance could have made things worse as far as infrastructure destruction due to blitzes. However, Nazi rule would not have been very good for Poland if we go by what is said in Mein Kampf and Nazi philosophy. The Germans viewed the east as a space that must be cleansed and Germanized.

Moscow could have defeated the Germans even if Poland would have cooperated. They would have just kept pushing and pushing the Nazis back with wave upon wave of Russian troops. They would have made a pact with the allies anyway to push the Germans back. I doubt it would have changed the outcome. Poland would have ended up more like the other Eastern Bloc countries and not experienced the bombings to it's cities. Depends on where the battles between the Russians and the Nazis occur which could have been anywhere in the east. There would have been allies, too, bombing as well.

Things might have gone very differently, too, if Hitler had decided against invading the USSR. And, against declaring war on the USA.

If Hitler made a pact with Russia and honored it? He secretly did not trust them. He stabbed them in the back because he thought they would do the same to Germany and he wanted first stabs.
He knew if America was drawn into the war, they would back their traditional ally, Britain. What Hitler should not have done is invade Poland. Then Britain would not have had a reason to declare war.

Or, if Poland had just acceded to Hitler's request for some Polish territory? Having East Prussia off by itself may have been a bit awkward.

Spared 40 years of Communist rule, instead suffering X years of Nazi rule. Not a good idea.

I was under the impression (from talking to Poles) that standards of living were reasonably good in Poland in the 70s. As in, comparable to a working class or lower middle class upbringing in the UK at the time. Do you think things were worse than that?

It's doubtful that the Nazi's philosophy of Aryan Supremacy would have caused them to ally with a Slavic nation. They were never "allied" with the USSR. They signed an "Non-Aggression" treaty, which Hitler had every intention of breaking at the right opportunity, basically to have a free hand to invade Poland and use it as a staging area for the eventual invasion of the USSR. Hitler saw that inevitable struggle in near-apocalyptic terms. Preserving Western Civilization from the threat of atheistic, Jewish-influenced Bolshevism. Stalin may have suspected this, but probably felt that he was buying time by entering the treaty. He had weakened his army by purging many of its senior commanders, and the USSR's dismal performance against undermanned Finland in the Winter War of 1939-1940 showed that the Red Army really wasn't a capable fighting force.

It wasn't hypothetical, Hitler wanted a triune pact with Poland and Great Britain against Communism and the Soviet Union which he considered as threat just as the West has done ever since and why after the war Churchill said "We have slaughtered the wrong pig".
Hitler was forever trying to make peace with Britain, Dali even painted a picture of a weeping telephone called The Enigma of Hitler link demonstrating his sadness at his ignored calls.

Sir, that is - - absolutely correct.
Hitler had dreamed of an impossible alliance with Britain; in fact, one of the reasons why he had attacked the Soviet Union was because he had hoped the English would see it as a racial war - Nordic Aryan vs. Slav. Needless to say, the British, with the exception of a nutbars like Lord Haw-Haw, failed to see any sense in fighting for the sake of ethnic origins.
As for Poland - Hitler had in fact tried to court that county's fascist dictator (yes, Poland also had a fascist government at that time), hopping to get him to make common cause against Stalin. It was only after when the Poles rejected the plan that Hitler decided to lump them in with other untermenschen, to be killed and dominated.
Hitler in fact, for all his public praise of all things German, was very much an Anglophile, and had yearned for an alliance with the British.
And Hitler originally had seen the Poles - not as equals - but as wards and junior partners for the Germans to condescendingly take care of.
Needless to say, it was an impossible, harebrained scheme all the way around, and for it Hitler cost his country everything.

I think that Hitler was considerably nicer to the Danes and Norwegians, whom he regarded as racially superior even to the Germans.

He saw Scandinavians as a purer form of Nordic Aryans. Thus, Himmler had planned on mixing blonde Scandinavian women with SS men.

My father is a pureblood blond blue-eyed Aryan Dane.

He married a dark-as-night African woman...

As a result, I have only one question to Hitler, Himmler and Heydrich...

U Mad?

... Yep. They Mad.

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Wouldn't that have "watered-down" the Nordic race? Shouldn't they have just compelled the Scandinavians to produce more babies amongst themselves, and then sterilized the less-pure Germans?

As Himmler, Hitler, and company were Germans and Austrians, that would be rather self defeating.
Kind of funny that the Nazis found their own people lacking compared to their neighbors based solely on physical appearance, when the Germans in fact have accomplished so much more in the sciences and the arts. Goes to show you how anti-intellectual racists are.

The Scandinavians do hand out the Nobel prizes, so they must be smarter than Germans.

Plus, lutefisk. Don't forget the lutefisk.

Ikea. Volvo.

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And, can you imagine what America would be like if Sweden hadn't invented the Smörgåsbord? It would be absolutely unthinkable!

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