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18 Mar 2014, 3:49 pm

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I believe the Nazis had in mind genocide for the Poles in order to "make room" for German settlers in Poland. After the Polish Jews, the non-Jewish Poles would have been next.


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18 Mar 2014, 4:38 pm

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I think that Hitler was considerably nicer to the Danes and Norwegians, whom he regarded as racially superior even to the Germans.

He saw Scandinavians as a purer form of Nordic Aryans. Thus, Himmler had planned on mixing blonde Scandinavian women with SS men.

My father is a pureblood blond blue-eyed Aryan Dane.

He married a dark-as-night African woman...

As a result, I have only one question to Hitler, Himmler and Heydrich...

U Mad?

... Yep. They Mad.


Yup, in my case, at least in appearance, I would have been the perfect Aryan youth, with my natural blonde hair (which stayed blonde into adulthood) and blue eyes. Doesn't mean I support the ideology, however.


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18 Mar 2014, 5:04 pm

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I believe the Nazis had in mind genocide for the Poles in order to "make room" for German settlers in Poland. After the Polish Jews, the non-Jewish Poles would have been next.


Actually, Hitler had envisioned the Slavs being colonized by Germans, much the same way the British had done in India. So the Poles and other Slavs weren't facing so much genocide, but rather turned into serfs in their own land.


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20 Mar 2014, 2:53 am

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It wasn't hypothetical, Hitler wanted a triune pact with Poland and Great Britain against Communism and the Soviet Union which he considered as threat just as the West has done ever since and why after the war Churchill said "We have slaughtered the wrong pig".
Hitler was forever trying to make peace with Britain, Dali even painted a picture of a weeping telephone called The Enigma of Hitler link demonstrating his sadness at his ignored calls.


Sir, that is - - absolutely correct.
Hitler had dreamed of an impossible alliance with Britain; in fact, one of the reasons why he had attacked the Soviet Union was because he had hoped the English would see it as a racial war - Nordic Aryan vs. Slav. Needless to say, the British, with the exception of a nutbars like Lord Haw-Haw, failed to see any sense in fighting for the sake of ethnic origins.
As for Poland - Hitler had in fact tried to court that county's fascist dictator (yes, Poland also had a fascist government at that time), hopping to get him to make common cause against Stalin. It was only after when the Poles rejected the plan that Hitler decided to lump them in with other untermenschen, to be killed and dominated.
Hitler in fact, for all his public praise of all things German, was very much an Anglophile, and had yearned for an alliance with the British.
And Hitler originally had seen the Poles - not as equals - but as wards and junior partners for the Germans to condescendingly take care of.
Needless to say, it was an impossible, harebrained scheme all the way around, and for it Hitler cost his country everything.

Not exactly lol. Ever hear of something called World War I? This is a massive oversimplification if ever there were. Hitler had a chip on his shoulder over World War I and thought Germany got a bad deal out of that. He had a grudge against Europe you can bet that and he blamed Jews for Germany losing World War I. He thought they stabbed Germany in the back by sabotaging the war effort.
Hitler was a Germanphile not an Anglophile. He wanted Germany on top whatever way he could manage to get it there.
What most people do not know about the holocaust is the Nazis, originally, wanted to do what the Zionists wanted and move European Jews to Palestine. Nazis even visited the area and tried to get Britain to give the go ahead to allow more European Jews to move there. Britain said no because they feared it would piss off the Arabs living in the area.
So if Britain would have agreed, many more Jews would have migrated to Palestine before World War II started.
It's the British White Paper often overlooked when discussing World War II. If Britain would have allowed European Jews to migrate to Palestine like the Zionists wanted, the holocaust might have been less Jewish.
Would there have been concentrations camps and possibly death camps as well, even with the migration? Most likely since this is how Nazi Germany dealt with it's political prisoners and anyone who disagreed with them. They had a lot in common with the Russian and their gulags.
In fact, Nazism was socialism through and through. The state owned all the factories.
So all this talk about creating an alliance between Britain, Germany and Poland at the time, would not have worked simply because Germany was all sore from WWI and paranoid. They always thought everyone was out to get them and was gonna fight no matter what.
There was no need for Hitler to ever make the deal with Stalin in the first place, he put them in Poland then when he started moving East, just gave Russia an excuse to advance then they simply did not wish to leave. They wouldn't have advanced if Hitler had just stayed put.



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20 Mar 2014, 3:16 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
beneficii wrote:
I believe the Nazis had in mind genocide for the Poles in order to "make room" for German settlers in Poland. After the Polish Jews, the non-Jewish Poles would have been next.


Actually, Hitler had envisioned the Slavs being colonized by Germans, much the same way the British had done in India. So the Poles and other Slavs weren't facing so much genocide, but rather turned into serfs in their own land.

Actually he wanted to do away with Slavs to make room for Germans. He wanted to place the Germans all over Slavia - lands to the east of Germany. He would of Germanized the Slavs with Aryan features and done away with the rest. He would have everyone speaking German and Slavic languages would have faded into obscurity until non existent.
So there would have been a few Slavs left only they would have been Germanized. Some Slavs now think Germans are nothing but Germanized Slavs anyway heh.



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20 Mar 2014, 3:24 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Nambo wrote:
It wasn't hypothetical, Hitler wanted a triune pact with Poland and Great Britain against Communism and the Soviet Union which he considered as threat just as the West has done ever since and why after the war Churchill said "We have slaughtered the wrong pig".
Hitler was forever trying to make peace with Britain, Dali even painted a picture of a weeping telephone called The Enigma of Hitler link demonstrating his sadness at his ignored calls.


Sir, that is - - absolutely correct.
Hitler had dreamed of an impossible alliance with Britain; in fact, one of the reasons why he had attacked the Soviet Union was because he had hoped the English would see it as a racial war - Nordic Aryan vs. Slav. Needless to say, the British, with the exception of a nutbars like Lord Haw-Haw, failed to see any sense in fighting for the sake of ethnic origins.
As for Poland - Hitler had in fact tried to court that county's fascist dictator (yes, Poland also had a fascist government at that time), hopping to get him to make common cause against Stalin. It was only after when the Poles rejected the plan that Hitler decided to lump them in with other untermenschen, to be killed and dominated.
Hitler in fact, for all his public praise of all things German, was very much an Anglophile, and had yearned for an alliance with the British.
And Hitler originally had seen the Poles - not as equals - but as wards and junior partners for the Germans to condescendingly take care of.
Needless to say, it was an impossible, harebrained scheme all the way around, and for it Hitler cost his country everything.

Not exactly lol. Ever hear of something called World War I? This is a massive oversimplification if ever there were. Hitler had a chip on his shoulder over World War I and thought Germany got a bad deal out of that. He had a grudge against Europe you can bet that and he blamed Jews for Germany losing World War I. He thought they stabbed Germany in the back by sabotaging the war effort.
Hitler was a Germanphile not an Anglophile. He wanted Germany on top whatever way he could manage to get it there.
What most people do not know about the holocaust is the Nazis, originally, wanted to do what the Zionists wanted and move European Jews to Palestine. Nazis even visited the area and tried to get Britain to give the go ahead to allow more European Jews to move there. Britain said no because they feared it would piss off the Arabs living in the area.
So if Britain would have agreed, many more Jews would have migrated to Palestine before World War II started.
It's the British White Paper often overlooked when discussing World War II. If Britain would have allowed European Jews to migrate to Palestine like the Zionists wanted, the holocaust might have been less Jewish.
Would there have been concentrations camps and possibly death camps as well, even with the migration? Most likely since this is how Nazi Germany dealt with it's political prisoners and anyone who disagreed with them. They had a lot in common with the Russian and their gulags.
In fact, Nazism was socialism through and through. The state owned all the factories.
So all this talk about creating an alliance between Britain, Germany and Poland at the time, would not have worked simply because Germany was all sore from WWI and paranoid. They always thought everyone was out to get them and was gonna fight no matter what.
There was no need for Hitler to ever make the deal with Stalin in the first place, he put them in Poland then when he started moving East, just gave Russia an excuse to advance then they simply did not wish to leave. They wouldn't have advanced if Hitler had just stayed put.


Sure, Hitler had a chip on his shoulder over WWI. And of course he blamed Jews for everything. But that doesn't change Hitler's grand scheme for things - which included an alliance with Britain - which ultimately never happened.
And yes, Hitler actually was an Anglophile - he saw the British empire as a model for a German empire. Prior to the war, he had arranged for British military school students to come to Germany to rub shoulders with their German counterparts.


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20 Mar 2014, 3:42 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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I believe the Nazis had in mind genocide for the Poles in order to "make room" for German settlers in Poland. After the Polish Jews, the non-Jewish Poles would have been next.


Actually, Hitler had envisioned the Slavs being colonized by Germans, much the same way the British had done in India. So the Poles and other Slavs weren't facing so much genocide, but rather turned into serfs in their own land.

Actually he wanted to do away with Slavs to make room for Germans. He wanted to place the Germans all over Slavia - lands to the east of Germany. He would of Germanized the Slavs with Aryan features and done away with the rest. He would have everyone speaking German and Slavic languages would have faded into obscurity until non existent.
So there would have been a few Slavs left only they would have been Germanized. Some Slavs now think Germans are nothing but Germanized Slavs anyway heh.


That's actually debatable. I have no doubt that Hitler had planned on cutting down the Slavic population, but as I stated earlier, he had hoped to institute a situation very much like British ruled India, where German settlers would be top dogs over the locals.
Hitler had actually allowed his Gauleiters in Poland to handle the matter of Germanization. This went from one's very tolerant plan of simply designating all Poles in his Gau, or region, as Germans, while another went to the opposite extreme, and began wholesale slaughter of Poles, with the plan to replace them with Germans.
As for Germans being just "Germanized" Slavs - only in regard to the easternmost regions of Germany prior to the end of WWII, which had been conquered by Germans in the Middle Ages. Northwestern Germans, on the other hand, have more in common ethnically with their Nordic neighbors in Scandinavia. While most Germans in fact share Celto-Germanic DNA in common with the English, Belgians, northern French, Austrians, and Swiss.


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20 Mar 2014, 3:54 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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It wasn't hypothetical, Hitler wanted a triune pact with Poland and Great Britain against Communism and the Soviet Union which he considered as threat just as the West has done ever since and why after the war Churchill said "We have slaughtered the wrong pig".
Hitler was forever trying to make peace with Britain, Dali even painted a picture of a weeping telephone called The Enigma of Hitler link demonstrating his sadness at his ignored calls.


Sir, that is - - absolutely correct.
Hitler had dreamed of an impossible alliance with Britain; in fact, one of the reasons why he had attacked the Soviet Union was because he had hoped the English would see it as a racial war - Nordic Aryan vs. Slav. Needless to say, the British, with the exception of a nutbars like Lord Haw-Haw, failed to see any sense in fighting for the sake of ethnic origins.
As for Poland - Hitler had in fact tried to court that county's fascist dictator (yes, Poland also had a fascist government at that time), hopping to get him to make common cause against Stalin. It was only after when the Poles rejected the plan that Hitler decided to lump them in with other untermenschen, to be killed and dominated.
Hitler in fact, for all his public praise of all things German, was very much an Anglophile, and had yearned for an alliance with the British.
And Hitler originally had seen the Poles - not as equals - but as wards and junior partners for the Germans to condescendingly take care of.
Needless to say, it was an impossible, harebrained scheme all the way around, and for it Hitler cost his country everything.

Not exactly lol. Ever hear of something called World War I? This is a massive oversimplification if ever there were. Hitler had a chip on his shoulder over World War I and thought Germany got a bad deal out of that. He had a grudge against Europe you can bet that and he blamed Jews for Germany losing World War I. He thought they stabbed Germany in the back by sabotaging the war effort.
Hitler was a Germanphile not an Anglophile. He wanted Germany on top whatever way he could manage to get it there.
What most people do not know about the holocaust is the Nazis, originally, wanted to do what the Zionists wanted and move European Jews to Palestine. Nazis even visited the area and tried to get Britain to give the go ahead to allow more European Jews to move there. Britain said no because they feared it would piss off the Arabs living in the area.
So if Britain would have agreed, many more Jews would have migrated to Palestine before World War II started.
It's the British White Paper often overlooked when discussing World War II. If Britain would have allowed European Jews to migrate to Palestine like the Zionists wanted, the holocaust might have been less Jewish.
Would there have been concentrations camps and possibly death camps as well, even with the migration? Most likely since this is how Nazi Germany dealt with it's political prisoners and anyone who disagreed with them. They had a lot in common with the Russian and their gulags.
In fact, Nazism was socialism through and through. The state owned all the factories.
So all this talk about creating an alliance between Britain, Germany and Poland at the time, would not have worked simply because Germany was all sore from WWI and paranoid. They always thought everyone was out to get them and was gonna fight no matter what.
There was no need for Hitler to ever make the deal with Stalin in the first place, he put them in Poland then when he started moving East, just gave Russia an excuse to advance then they simply did not wish to leave. They wouldn't have advanced if Hitler had just stayed put.


Sure, Hitler had a chip on his shoulder over WWI. And of course he blamed Jews for everything. But that doesn't change Hitler's grand scheme for things - which included an alliance with Britain - which ultimately never happened.
And yes, Hitler actually was an Anglophile - he saw the British empire as a model for a German empire. Prior to the war, he had arranged for British military school students to come to Germany to rub shoulders with their German counterparts.

It was fake though. He wasn't really an anglophile he was a Germaphile. He wanted to suck up to Britain so he wouldn't have to fight them right away but he was a fascist. He hoped to buy time. Britain would have no part of it. They knew what he was. If he was an alright guy, Britain would have had no problem having some sort of alliance but Hitler would not have honored an alliance with anyone in the long run. He wanted to expand Germany to the east.
He only showed respect for GB because he knew he could do a better job fooling them and not have to fight if he got along and he also believed GB would be more willing to let him have lands to the east if he were on friendly terms. He didn't really give two farts for Britain, just didn't want to be bothered with them at first and was willing to try to woo them some. Eventually, he would have stabbed them in the back as well. He enjoyed ruining his pacts by flamboyantly breaking agreements. It was his way of saying Germany is nobody's lap dog and he was motivated by what happened to Germany after World War I. He believed Jews ran Europe and were the reason why Germany was sanctioned so severely. He thought Europe was attempting to annihilate the German nation.
Hitler hoped to Germanize the east, not simply colonize like India. He wanted all of it to be German, eventually. Concentration camps in Poland were originally constructed for the Poles and his plan was to put all the Poles in them, use them for slave labor until they died, Germanize the fair Poles so they spoke German language and were familiar with the culture, then begin moving native Germans into Poland. he would have gotten rid of Polish language and culture, as well as Jews, Tartars and Roma and their cultures. Poland would have just been Aryan looking with everyone speaking German and not Polish. This is what he envisioned for Slavic nations.



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Trust me, Hitler was an Anglophile, but not for Britain's history of free government, but for it's imperialistic endeavors over the centuries, as well as their common ethnic history with Germany. He seriously believed the British would come around to his way of thinking - racial fanaticism and fascism. Goes to show you how divorced from reality Hitler had become. But sure, he was first and foremost a Germanophile, but at the same time, he believed England could serve as a model for the Third Reich.


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20 Mar 2014, 1:53 pm

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Trust me, Hitler was an Anglophile, but not for Britain's history of free government, but for it's imperialistic endeavors over the centuries, as well as their common ethnic history with Germany. He seriously believed the British would come around to his way of thinking - racial fanaticism and fascism. Goes to show you how divorced from reality Hitler had become. But sure, he was first and foremost a Germanophile, but at the same time, he believed England could serve as a model for the Third Reich.

He wanted Germany to dominate Britain but he also wanted it to dominate everything. He hoped to use other countries to uplift the German people. A Germanist through and through.
He might have modeled the German conquest on Britain but it doesn't mean he wanted to respect them.



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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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Trust me, Hitler was an Anglophile, but not for Britain's history of free government, but for it's imperialistic endeavors over the centuries, as well as their common ethnic history with Germany. He seriously believed the British would come around to his way of thinking - racial fanaticism and fascism. Goes to show you how divorced from reality Hitler had become. But sure, he was first and foremost a Germanophile, but at the same time, he believed England could serve as a model for the Third Reich.

He wanted Germany to dominate Britain but he also wanted it to dominate everything. He hoped to use other countries to uplift the German people. A Germanist through and through.
He might have modeled the German conquest on Britain but it doesn't mean he wanted to respect them.


I think you misunderstand me. Hitler of course placed Germany first above all else, but he saw British power as something for Germany to emulate. He actually had admired the British, but as I said before, it was for their imperialism, not for their experiment in free government.


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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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I believe the Nazis had in mind genocide for the Poles in order to "make room" for German settlers in Poland. After the Polish Jews, the non-Jewish Poles would have been next.


Actually, Hitler had envisioned the Slavs being colonized by Germans, much the same way the British had done in India. So the Poles and other Slavs weren't facing so much genocide, but rather turned into serfs in their own land.

Actually he wanted to do away with Slavs to make room for Germans. He wanted to place the Germans all over Slavia - lands to the east of Germany. He would of Germanized the Slavs with Aryan features and done away with the rest. He would have everyone speaking German and Slavic languages would have faded into obscurity until non existent.
So there would have been a few Slavs left only they would have been Germanized. Some Slavs now think Germans are nothing but Germanized Slavs anyway heh.


That's the case with the Prussians, who unified Germany in the first place! :wink:


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