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15 Jun 2016, 8:59 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Was William F. Buckley Jr. smart or not?


Oh, he was. But he could also be a jackass.

Yeah but Buckley and his cohort were a whole nuther kind of conservative... The kind who would call bullshit on Ayn Rand.


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15 Jun 2016, 9:02 pm

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Was William F. Buckley Jr. smart or not?


Oh, he was. But he could also be a jackass.

Yeah but Buckley and his cohort were a whole nuther kind of conservative... The kind who would call bullshit on Ayn Rand.


Absolutely true. To his credit, he had opposed the lunatic fringe following Barry Goldwater, and doubtlessly would have spoken out against the same types filling the ranks of trump's fanclub.


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15 Jun 2016, 9:25 pm

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At one time, conservatives could boast of having genuine intellectuals the likes of William F. Buckley in their corner. Today, education and intelligence is seen in many conservative circles as the realm of liberal elitists, preferring the pontifications of such dullards as Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. The right believe they've found their niche among disaffected white working class people, and the rural underclass, who see their notions of religion, sexuality, and race relations under fire, and they play such people with their fears for all they're worth.


They still do have some intellectuals and educated academics on their side. Though they have largely retreated from the colleges and have taken refuge in think tanks and places like liberty university. I would regard this as a mistake for the conservatives to cede the ground of academia. If they were sensible they would try to take back a significant stage in colleges and the media; so that they balance out the influence. If they continue to allow their opponents to dominate these areas without contest, then the young will be largely swept up.



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15 Jun 2016, 9:32 pm

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Santorum is upset because he sees education as a threat to faith.

He is upset about a lot of things he sees as a threat to his faith. Education, science, morality, etc...



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15 Jun 2016, 11:55 pm

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At one time, conservatives could boast of having genuine intellectuals the likes of William F. Buckley in their corner. Today, education and intelligence is seen in many conservative circles as the realm of liberal elitists, preferring the pontifications of such dullards as Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin. The right believe they've found their niche among disaffected white working class people, and the rural underclass, who see their notions of religion, sexuality, and race relations under fire, and they play such people with their fears for all they're worth.


They still do have some intellectuals and educated academics on their side. Though they have largely retreated from the colleges and have taken refuge in think tanks and places like liberty university. I would regard this as a mistake for the conservatives to cede the ground of academia. If they were sensible they would try to take back a significant stage in colleges and the media; so that they balance out the influence. If they continue to allow their opponents to dominate these areas without contest, then the young will be largely swept up.


I personally wouldn't count Liberty University as a place for intellectualism.


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16 Jun 2016, 1:44 pm

Well, both social and political classes in my country seem to always gain the upper hand, whether some normal voters like it or not.

It's purely class instinct to vote for a party which has held the majority of votes for a while, but whilst this element of voting has been used for some time, things like trade relations and customs controls aren't really thought of until they are forced to make a decision that impacts upon them, like keeping our NHS free from E.U backbenchers, which no smart opinion poll can conclude.

There will be setbacks if we leave the E.U, but ultimately in the long run, people will be given back their say on reforms and not leave it by proxy to decide, which seems to make up most of the vote but, each independant person has a right to know how it could affect their family and how, they can foresee in the future what will happen for them.

People want lots of things, so lets hope they are able to get them. The ties can only be suppressed by scaremongering non voters and expats, along with ex bureaucrats and prisoners of E.U law.