Ohio Man Holds Sign On Corner For Harassing Family

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13 Apr 2014, 6:02 pm

This guy in Ohio picked on a woman and her family for the past 15 years and all he got was 15 days in jail, seven months of probation, community service, and anger management classes?

WTF?

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/13/o ... -children/


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13 Apr 2014, 6:18 pm

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According to cleveland.com, Edmond Aviv, 62, was ordered to stand at the intersection for five hours holding a sign that read: “”I AM A BULLY! I pick on children that are disabled, and I am intolerant of those that are different from myself. My actions do not reflect an appreciation for the diverse South Euclid community that I live in.”


On the face of it, this seems like it would create a liability for the court. If Aviv was accosted and beat up by angry citizens (easy to envision) he could claim that the court order facilitated him being a "victim" of violence.


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14 Apr 2014, 9:30 am

I actually made a special trip to see this guy with my own eyes. It took me some serious effort to find where he was and when he would be holding the sign. When I drove by, he was holding the sign upside down. An accident, I'm sure.

This type of punishment (humiliation based) has been growing in popularity, and has been upheld against many appeals. Now that the precedent has been set and upheld, it is highly unlikely for the court to be held liable for any mistreatment.


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14 Apr 2014, 2:32 pm

It's not really a new idea,twenty-some odd years ago some stores in Camden,Ar had shoplifters holding signs outside the store with big letters that said,"I am a thief."They had to stand right by the front door,you couldn't miss them.Most looked embarrassed,a few looked angry.


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14 Apr 2014, 2:37 pm

Misslizard wrote:
It's not really a new idea,twenty-some odd years ago some stores in Camden,Ar had shoplifters holding signs outside the store with big letters that said,"I am a thief."They had to stand right by the front door,you couldn't miss them.Most looked embarrassed,a few looked angry.


They can tar and feather them for all I care, but I expect some day an incident or incidents to occur and courts to be challenged over it.


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14 Apr 2014, 2:47 pm

Well, the guy does sound insane (kerosene smell projection device?), but I have a bit of a problem with court ordered humiliation, that's just a power I'm not comfortable with the justice system having.


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14 Apr 2014, 2:47 pm

sonofghandi wrote:
This type of punishment (humiliation based) has been growing in popularity, and has been upheld against many appeals. Now that the precedent has been set and upheld, it is highly unlikely for the court to be held liable for any mistreatment.


It'd be great if this guy was thrown into a community of disabled people and was forced to help take care of some because it'd would obviously be humiliating for him. This guy is in his 60s and he should have known better.

@ Miss Lizard: My mom, who works as a teacher, tried this method on some of her students. The idea caught on with her colleagues like fire. One of her students was picking on a special needs student and she told the bullying student to stand outside in the hallway with a sign that read "I picked on another student because he sees a specialist here." Most students who walked by took pictures of him while some walked by and looked uncomfortable.


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14 Apr 2014, 3:18 pm

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It'd be great if this guy was thrown into a community of disabled people and was forced to help take care of some because it'd would obviously be humiliating for him. This guy is in his 60s and he should have known better.

Not such a good idea, given his track record.
For example; the Humane Society here has some "volunteers" that have been sent there by order of the court as their public service sentence. However, the individuals cannot have a record of animal abuse for the obvious reason, though.

Same thing applies to the case in question. To have this guy around the disabled would be like having the fox guard the hen house.


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14 Apr 2014, 3:27 pm

I'm afraid this prick is going to take his humiliation out on the family he had harassed for so long, maybe even violently next time. Sure, shaming him publicly is funny - and he doubtlessly deserves it - but then he should also have been given prison time in order to keep him away from his victims.


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14 Apr 2014, 3:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm afraid this prick is going to take his humiliation out on the family he had harassed for so long, maybe even violently next time. Sure, shaming him publicly is funny - and he doubtlessly deserves it - but then he should also have been given prison time in order to keep him away from his victims.

better yet the judge should of gave him the option of moving or prison time
if he moves away problem solved for both partys



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14 Apr 2014, 3:57 pm

Assuming the report is actually accurate, it sounds like he's an absolute psychopath.


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14 Apr 2014, 4:06 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm afraid this prick is going to take his humiliation out on the family he had harassed for so long, maybe even violently next time. Sure, shaming him publicly is funny - and he doubtlessly deserves it - but then he should also have been given prison time in order to keep him away from his victims.

better yet the judge should of gave him the option of moving or prison time
if he moves away problem solved for both partys


Sounds good to me.


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14 Apr 2014, 4:06 pm

Seems like a rather lame punishment. How does this punishment protect the family?

Seems like they should have addressed this much earlier. Given him a warning, put him on probation. If he continued to violate, they could send him to prison. I'm not a fan of putting people in jail for harassment but it seems like the best way to protect the family. People like this do not like to be humiliated. The harassment will probably just escalate or become more covert.



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14 Apr 2014, 4:09 pm

But if the family hires a sniper..........


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14 Apr 2014, 4:48 pm

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Too risky.
Better to gently and not too directly entice a very passionate but capable person to do something rash to the intended target.
This way if they actually do it can't come back and bite you like actually hiring someone.
Think deni-a-bility.


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14 Apr 2014, 5:30 pm

It would be absolutely awful if someone accidentally bumped into him and he fell under the wheels of an oncoming vehicle.


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