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29 Apr 2014, 6:52 am

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maybe it was a false positive but I doubt the testing equipment costed as much money as you assume, it sounds like one of the most basic tests imaginable.


It isn't the test itself that was expensive, it was designing and constructing equipment that could make the trek, survive the landing, deploy and operate correctly in an environment significantly different than earth, and then accurately perform the test and transmit the data back.

even if there was only a slim chance don't you think NASA should be looking? it's like they don't want to find life because most people would probably be really dumb and we would end up with stupid tabloid articles about potential killer plagues laying dormant in Martian soil. :lol:[/quote]

They are looking. Don't you realize that the most recent Mars rover has been actively looking for evidence of microbial life?

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NASA seemed apprehensive just to even look for any signs of water on mars for decades and now we know there most likely is frozen water then maybe it's time we start properly checking the soil.


That is because they knew water was there, just not how much. Why spend even more money to assess percentages or concentrations when its presence was the only thing actually needed to know for this matter.

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or maybe NASA already knows there is life out there like all the conspiracy theorists think because of some of the communications between astronauts and nasa in the early years when everything was pretty much eaves dropped on by the public.


Uh huh :roll:

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TBH I think I have more faith in the commercial space programs than I do nasa right now as they have more of a reason to actually find stuff and make money.


I will definitely agree that the private sector has much more potential, especially since NASA's funding has been cut continuously for quite some time, and that trend is likely to continue.

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NASA could probably have been mining asteroids by now if they had the incentive


You mean if they had the funding, which they don't. They haven't had the funding to even make it to the moon again for more than a decade.


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29 Apr 2014, 11:42 am

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I don't think that other life forms are aware of our existence. There's probably 50-100 lightyears to the nearest planet that houses primitive life (even jellyfish are extremely complex creatures compared to bacteria), and there are probably millions of lightyears between each intelligent civilization, since the prerequisites required for intelligent life are very strict.


And what if some of these other forms....are more advanced, and have developed vehicles that don't take years to travel these extreme distances? I think it is plausable so it is very likely some life forms outside of earth know of our existence. Also based on a number of things I've read and heard about and looked into I think its likely there have been beings from other planets here....not entirely sure what they where doing, what they still do or why though I have some ideas. But yes I think its likely some know of our existence and some might even be interferring with it in some ways. Though if they were 'evil' and wanted to destroy us I am sure they already would have.

Just not sure I can write off all alien abduction stories/incidents as being hallucinations, dreams ect....which would imply there's still ongoing contact with earth from otherworldly beings. I was watching some documentary, showing how people had small things inserted into them that would have taken surgery of some sort but there are no incisons or anything implying such a procedure....and these objects are made out of material that isn't found on this planet, most people having these removed had reported being abducted. They don't know what these things are for though.


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29 Apr 2014, 12:02 pm

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I don't think that other life forms are aware of our existence. There's probably 50-100 lightyears to the nearest planet that houses primitive life (even jellyfish are extremely complex creatures compared to bacteria), and there are probably millions of lightyears between each intelligent civilization, since the prerequisites required for intelligent life are very strict.


And what if some of these other forms....are more advanced, and have developed vehicles that don't take years to travel these extreme distances? I think it is plausable so it is very likely some life forms outside of earth know of our existence. Also based on a number of things I've read and heard about and looked into I think its likely there have been beings from other planets here....not entirely sure what they where doing, what they still do or why though I have some ideas. But yes I think its likely some know of our existence and some might even be interferring with it in some ways. Though if they were 'evil' and wanted to destroy us I am sure they already would have.

Just not sure I can write off all alien abduction stories/incidents as being hallucinations, dreams ect....which would imply there's still ongoing contact with earth from otherworldly beings. I was watching some documentary, showing how people had small things inserted into them that would have taken surgery of some sort but there are no incisons or anything implying such a procedure....and these objects are made out of material that isn't found on this planet, most people having these removed had reported being abducted. They don't know what these things are for though.


Please don't take this wrong, but just how reliable are those documentaries about the alien implants that you mentioned? I ask, because I've heard lots of things from so called documentaries that either blows something out of proportion, or is even out and out untrue. As for the alien abductions - I've heard the explanation that some people are at times caught in a half awake/half sleep state where they are consciously aware, but are still in sleep paralysis (which keeps most people from sleep walking), and have dream imagery running through their heads. It's common for such people to see gray, featureless figures, or to think they are undergoing physical experiences. At one time, people used to think they were encountering ghosts or fairies. Today, people automatically assume the images they see are of aliens.


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29 Apr 2014, 12:56 pm

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I don't think that other life forms are aware of our existence. There's probably 50-100 lightyears to the nearest planet that houses primitive life (even jellyfish are extremely complex creatures compared to bacteria), and there are probably millions of lightyears between each intelligent civilization, since the prerequisites required for intelligent life are very strict.


And what if some of these other forms....are more advanced, and have developed vehicles that don't take years to travel these extreme distances? I think it is plausable so it is very likely some life forms outside of earth know of our existence. Also based on a number of things I've read and heard about and looked into I think its likely there have been beings from other planets here....not entirely sure what they where doing, what they still do or why though I have some ideas. But yes I think its likely some know of our existence and some might even be interferring with it in some ways. Though if they were 'evil' and wanted to destroy us I am sure they already would have.

Just not sure I can write off all alien abduction stories/incidents as being hallucinations, dreams ect....which would imply there's still ongoing contact with earth from otherworldly beings. I was watching some documentary, showing how people had small things inserted into them that would have taken surgery of some sort but there are no incisons or anything implying such a procedure....and these objects are made out of material that isn't found on this planet, most people having these removed had reported being abducted. They don't know what these things are for though.


Please don't take this wrong, but just how reliable are those documentaries about the alien implants that you mentioned? I ask, because I've heard lots of things from so called documentaries that either blows something out of proportion, or is even out and out untrue. As for the alien abductions - I've heard the explanation that some people are at times caught in a half awake/half sleep state where they are consciously aware, but are still in sleep paralysis (which keeps most people from sleep walking), and have dream imagery running through their heads. It's common for such people to see gray, featureless figures, or to think they are undergoing physical experiences. At one time, people used to think they were encountering ghosts or fairies. Today, people automatically assume the images they see are of aliens.


I can't quite remember what documentary it was, but it wasn't really even about alien abduction and didn't even claim these objects found inside of people where necessarily extraterrestrial it was more just theorized as a possibility. It was also about some other weird occurances not related to that but it wasn't pushing specific ideas just presenting information. It seemed pretty reliable but....I'd have to look it up though to be certain. I do take these things with a grain of salt as I know documentaries are not infallible

Also I have had sleep paralysis....and could see how it might account for some cases of alien abduction, but not so sure it explains them all. Perhaps they can immobilize people, not sure exactly how but it seems like a fairly common idea so its also possible someone might think they have sleep paralysis and nothing actually happened when maybe it did.


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29 Apr 2014, 1:41 pm

I've had sleep paralysis maybe a couple times in my life, and I thank the good Lord I didn't have any horrific hallucinations accompanying it as some people do. Because at the time I recall being terrified already at not being able to move or call out for help, and so I very well may have had a heart attack - or at the very least afterward I would have had to change my pants(!).


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29 Apr 2014, 1:51 pm

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I've had sleep paralysis maybe a couple times in my life, and I thank the good Lord I didn't have any horrific hallucinations accompanying it as some people do. Because at the time I recall being terrified already at not being able to move or call out for help, and so I very well may have had a heart attack - or at the very least afterward I would have had to change my pants(!).


Last time I had sleep paralysis it was kind of recent, but I just found it really frustrating because I was thirsty and couldn't move to get a drink of water. I think I was more aggravated then afraid. I didn't have any creepy hallucinations though just some weird auditory stuff in the background, like people maybe talking in another room but not sure if anyone actually was talking at that time. I imagine if I had some horrid hallucination to go along with sleep paralysis I'd be pretty freaked out though so I hope I don't experience that.

Though I've had weird experiences like a few years ago when I was still in highschool, I remember one night it looked there was a shadowy figure at the foot of my bed with a sinister vibe. Didn't have sleep paralysis but couldn't move because of how afraid I was of it, I think I eventually ended falling asleep and it was gone...I still don't think it was a dream but not sure what that thing was.


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29 Apr 2014, 1:58 pm

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I've had sleep paralysis maybe a couple times in my life, and I thank the good Lord I didn't have any horrific hallucinations accompanying it as some people do. Because at the time I recall being terrified already at not being able to move or call out for help, and so I very well may have had a heart attack - or at the very least afterward I would have had to change my pants(!).


Last time I had sleep paralysis it was kind of recent, but I just found it really frustrating because I was thirsty and couldn't move to get a drink of water. I think I was more aggravated then afraid. I didn't have any creepy hallucinations though just some weird auditory stuff in the background, like people maybe talking in another room but not sure if anyone actually was talking at that time. I imagine if I had some horrid hallucination to go along with sleep paralysis I'd be pretty freaked out though so I hope I don't experience that.

Though I've had weird experiences like a few years ago when I was still in highschool, I remember one night it looked there was a shadowy figure at the foot of my bed with a sinister vibe. Didn't have sleep paralysis but couldn't move because of how afraid I was of it, I think I eventually ended falling asleep and it was gone...I still don't think it was a dream but not sure what that thing was.


When I was a kid, I used to hallucinate late at night about dimly seen monsters I was certain haunted the basement at day, and came upstairs to threaten my life at night. I used to stay wide awake for hours, believing if I closed my eyes, I'd be dead. I had a few such instances as an adult, but hasn't happened to me for years. I have to wonder if there is a tie in to autism.


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30 Apr 2014, 12:13 am

Monsters are real.



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30 Apr 2014, 1:21 am

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Monsters are real.


What kind do you mean? The human variety? Sasquatch? Living prehistoric monsters like crocodiles and alligators?


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02 May 2014, 3:02 pm

The odds that there are or have been, is pretty much a statistical certainty. Whether they'd ever be able to visit us is another matter.



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02 May 2014, 11:05 pm

Diverse people do not hallucinate the same thing.

They are hard to see in the light, and even in very weak light, but The Flat Black People have been reported many times. They seem drawn to us.

Moves much like a human, but with a somewhat oversized head, a triangle shape, with insect features, small mouth near the chin, and small eyes. They have an ectoskeleton.

They are not really here, but here has borders. Just as we can only see visable light, while the rest is all the same, but beyond us. I think we are a glow on the edge of their world.

We see them in very low light conditions. They come look at us, or follow us.

I used to work in film darkrooms. A pinhole of light will fog film. Almost everyone quit, got upset and would not say why, but total darkness has things in it. Some was related to things, the black hard rubber trays have a lovely blue glow, the enamel on steel trays are a deep black spot in total darkness.

With none of the visable light I could see my hands. I saw a lot of other things, that moved in intelligent patterns.

Other work has been done with sense depravation chambers, John Lilly, but it was stopped because people were very upset when they were trapped, and the I want out button did not work and they were trapped for twelve hours to several days. I think the record was thirteen minutes.

Without the structure of light, sound, the mind just went off on perception, hallucination was the word used, but common things were seen and reported. Some were energy balls, with intent, that ran into the viewer, like they were trying to crack an egg. Years later I read the same in Carlos Castanada, Don Juan. He said they were trying to break the bubble of life so they could feed on it, He reported a man hit by a car that was covered in them as he died.

There were a lot more. They wandered through my field of perception, some looked close at me, others at each other, and kept moving. The types were consistant. Some were like insects just swarming around, feeding on something I could not see, others were higher order lifeforms. They could see me. They came closer and stared.

We are not alone, we are blinded by visable light, and they can see us as something, because when I tried to grab them they became very frightened and left in a hurry. I think they are deaf, talking to them did nothing.

We try to pretend our world has neat edges. It does have edges, but just beyond is another world, and we can both see over the border.

The triangle head is often reported as wearing a hood, the mouth where the chin would be a beard. Face in shadow. Intelligence, perception, but cold and alien. They are drawn to us, we only see them in very low light conditions.

Some call them the Shadow People. Cats and dogs can see them.

You can turn on a light, but they are still there.



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03 May 2014, 12:38 am

Okay, creep me out why dontcha!?!?


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