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24 Apr 2014, 12:19 pm

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The one thing that distinguishes humans from other animals is the "human condition" - the ability to ponder such philosophical questions as the meaning of life and the inescapability of death. I doubt cats and dogs are plagued with such existential torment. I truly envy them.

In all other respects, we are very similar.

YES it's this conscience that is chiefly human! It causes humans a lot of agony.
Here's an example from my real life. I experienced an ef 5 tornado last year, went just north of my house which was in the debris field.
I wasn't home at the time but my pets were and I was soooo worried about them, I walked miles to my house just to check on them. The National Guard set up quite an extensive perimeter where no cars were allowed but people could bicycle or walk in. A few had ATVs. I had to park and walk a couple miles to check on my home. On the way I saw traumatized people lost in a world of shock. I tried talking to a few, they could only answer in mumbles and jibberish. They had far away looks in their eyes. Finally I realized it was shock so I just trudged on in silence.
When I got to my house I was relieved it was alright, no broken windows, and my pets were all happy when they saw me! It was like nothing had happened! They were oblivious to it all the complete OPPOSITE of all the humans I encountered. BIG difference!


A couple of things . .. your pets may not have been aware of the gravity of the situation. This would be beyond their scope. All they knew was that their environment was okay - so they would be content.
Also, I have seen documentation of animals showing concern for others. Particularly mothers who are separated from their young. I could go and get some evidence for this, but I'm too precarious emotionally to go there. And of course there's the cases of animals staying with their owners in situations of illness (eg. dogs.)



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24 Apr 2014, 1:32 pm

Heres a video of a mother caimen watching over several babies most not even hers and she is protective over them, sometimes caimens make better mothers than humans do.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x73HOe7JcMY[/youtube]


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24 Apr 2014, 1:34 pm

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A couple of things . .. your pets may not have been aware of the gravity of the situation. This would be beyond their scope. All they knew was that their environment was okay - so they would be content.
Also, I have seen documentation of animals showing concern for others. Particularly mothers who are separated from their young. I could go and get some evidence for this, but I'm too precarious emotionally to go there. And of course there's the cases of animals staying with their owners in situations of illness (eg. dogs.)

I am not saying animals are below humans. They are lucky in many ways, especially if they manage to avoid humans...and their own predators.
To live as an animal is much less artificial and they are much more in tune with their environment through the process of acclimation.



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24 Apr 2014, 1:39 pm

I think the thing that seems to distinguish us from animals is our almost constant communication with each other combined with our group organizational abilities. 'course, other creatures do this, like ants. We seem to be better at "thinking outside the box" though.



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24 Apr 2014, 1:49 pm

With us it's standing upright, advanced communication and a keen conscience. Animals act on instinct, humans have conscience.
When an animal mom cares for her offspring it is her instinct telling her to do it and this is a direct result of evolution. Obviously without that instinct, the particular species would not exist.
Notice some species do not even take care of their young and yet they go on for millions of years? Some of the most primitive have existed the longest.
So you see, it's all relative. Not even all animal species are the same.



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24 Apr 2014, 7:53 pm

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24 Apr 2014, 9:00 pm

The white boy dressed in Hollywood-Aramaic attire is a nice touch. :lol:



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24 Apr 2014, 9:12 pm

When you think about it...it just doesn't logically follow through. It's like a collage of "beings' that only have a few things in common. Every species is it's own and they are all separate.



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24 Apr 2014, 9:25 pm

Of course it doesn't make sense, it was lifted from a religious website. It's a visual argument against the teaching of evolution.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Ek2BDu47g[/youtube]



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24 Apr 2014, 9:43 pm

Evolution happens over time but in the interim each species is it's own. Evolution is NOT about different species mating with each other so OF COURSE they would all be different. Evolution occurs through natural selection NOT cross species breeding which most often results in infertile offspring. So why wouldn't many of them be quite unique?



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24 Apr 2014, 9:45 pm

No human behavior does not exist in other animals.

The last fifty thousand years has some advances in tool use.

Before then hardly any differance,

Chimps select a hammer and anvil stone to crack nuts. They gather the nuts and bring them to the workshop.

The oldest records of projectile weapons, are from Baboons, who with forethought, piled up throwing size rocks where a group could defend a camp chosen for being defendable.

Fire worship may be an exception, as no other animal is so insane as to start fires.

Other animals are more reality based. If it is local, they react, where humans get bent out of shape by earthquakes and plane crashes on the other side of the planet, involving people they do not know. They can also support killing people on the other side of the planet, who live on a dollar a day, because they live in a Tribal Area.

While both worship fire, the tribal fire is the wrong kind. Worldwide, killing off tribes has been going on for a while.

The only outside opinion came from a chimp taught sign language. When asked what they thought of the researchers, they signed, Very Bad Monkeys!

I have heard the same from horses and dogs.

Just before extinction a population rises to the largest ever numbers, then some natural chain breaks, and they are gone. It is five million years to our last common ancestor with the other apes, and that is the life of many species we know from the fossil record.

The rise of humans was due to small groups, inbreeding, the loss of genetic material, the fall is coming from large populations who are gaining genetic material. As the world population becomes larger, the humans become dumber.

The population will double soon, calling for a second planet to trash.



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24 Apr 2014, 9:49 pm

Why would an argument based on received knowledge have to make sense?



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24 Apr 2014, 9:55 pm

We are animals we are clasified as animals primates to be exact and as mammals what else would we be plants?


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24 Apr 2014, 10:50 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
When you think about it...it just doesn't logically follow through. It's like a collage of "beings' that only have a few things in common. Every species is it's own and they are all separate.

They all came from primordial ooze,we all have that in common.We were not created by a big sky dude with a long white beard that played mud pie in the dirt.


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24 Apr 2014, 10:59 pm

Yeah but some of us could be more alien than others :alien:



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25 Apr 2014, 12:08 pm

Ash the robot would say we are animals encumbered by remorse and delusions of morality.

I think the problem we humans have is that we try to control each other too much. The rest of the animal kingdom tend to control only their own territory, but humans try to control the whole world! So the main difference with between humans and animals is that animals seem to know when to stop.