God exists. I can prove it. You can prove it too

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You just made that up! I've never seen that stated in ANY serious science publication. There might be one or two scientists who believe that, but it is most certainly not the general opinion of scientists.

What I meant by that is they just think of it as the way everything was created. Like, the earth wouldn't exist if the universe hadn't happened.

It does. I live in a family where people use to argue that people make up their own reality. So if you don't believe in the moon, the moon doesn't exist.

It's known as cultural relativism. I just proved cultural relativism to be sh**

Subjective reality may not concur with objective reality. So if someone believes the moon doesn't exist that is their subjective reality. Personally I prefer objective reality - reality that can be tested and verified independently by other observers or other means. On that basis I say the moon is real.

Edit: I see you've added another line to your post after I quoted you... looks like you are now saying the opposite of what I thought you were saying. Seems we are talking but not communicating!

I prefer objective reality too. And I even go further and say that Objective Reality is the ONLY Reality.
Everything else is false.

Yay! Looks like we agree on something!

And I call that Objective Reality "God", instead of calling it "universe".
God has the advantage of consisting of only three letters, whereas "universe" has 8 letters.

The huge problem with the word God is that it has too much baggage. Too many people define the word in too many different ways. I try to avoid using the word wherever possible to avoid confusion. As well as being an atheist I'm also a Zen Buddhist and have a concept of ultimate reality. Mine is more associated with the nature of consciousness itself. Very difficult (impossible really) to express in words.

TallyMan - for my own curiosity, I need to know what exactly went wrong in this discussion.

In the other thread I made, where people deliberately misinterpret me, you said that I am expressing myself poorly.

But now when you know and understand what I mean, and we can agree on it, try taking a look at my OP again, and tell me:
Is it still that unclear?

The biggest problem was using the word God. As I just mentioned the word is so heavily loaded and is used and abused in countless ways. Claiming that you have proof of God's existence was also somewhat rash too as it implies you are able to clearly express that such an entity exists in a way that is unfalsifiable. You were opening a can of worms with vague concepts with vague arguments. I understand better what you are getting at now. Doesn't necessarily mean I agree with your arguments; just that I have a better idea of what you are saying (I think).

The short version is like saying "there is no bird nesting in your nose". Therefore the mythical nose-infesting bird is not part of "ultimate reality". Since stuff that does not exist is not part of ultimate reality, whether you like it or not. Therefore God is not part of ultimate reality. Therefore God does not exist. Whether you like it or not."


You could use the same "logic" either way.

No "bird" maybe but plenty of tiny little microscopic organisms have made a comfy cozy nest in your nostril yet you wouldn't know without the microscope to tell you.
Maybe all humans need to discern God is a God microscope?

Metaphysics: Letting daft people pretend to be wise since ???? CE.

If thinkinginpictures doesn't exist than this thread doesn't exist. Therefore this post that you are reading right now doesn't exist.

Any existing object can be declared to be god, therefore god exists.

Thats his logic.

Not exactly. He claims since a bird in Australia exists then it is possible God exists. If a bacteria on Io exists, God can exist. If a human on earth can exist, God can.
What if there was some species someplace thousands of light years from here and they all whisper together about people on a distant world, ours, for instance. Some are going to say, "no way they don't exist. We have been searching our solar system and we haven't found life that is anywhere close to resembling us therefor it doesn't exist." Others will say, "hey since we exist life similar to us can, also, we just haven't the means to discover said life at this moment. That doesn't mean it isn't out there. It's just unknown to us at this moment and it's possible it won't always be there because we won't. " Nothing lasts and lasts. That's an illusion.