Difference between Social Communication Disorder and PDD-NOS

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02 May 2014, 9:45 am

Social Communication Disorder was created recently and was included in the most recent DSM. It was described as Autism Lite by John Elder Robison. It sounds kind of like PDD-NOS (Pervasive Developmental Disorder - Not Otherwise Specified), is it? I still don't understand why it's seperate, how it is different than Autism. Is it just a new name for PDD-NOS and if not, how is it different? Does anyone understand this well enough and can explain it to me? :?:



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02 May 2014, 10:07 am

Hey!

SCD was created in response to there being two criteria for autism; social deficits and rigid thoughts/behaviours (sorry if I phrased that badly). Essentially, someone who has the former but not the latter would be diagnosed with SCD.

PDD-NOS is mostly just a developmental "none of the above". They may have traits from either diagnostic crieterion for ASD, but in weird patterns and not to the same severity level as 'true' autism, or they might be somewhere else on the spectrum entirley.

In practice, its essentially ASD = "yup, you're autistic", SCD = "nah sorry son not autistic-y enough you're just socially awkward" and PDD-NOS is "you we're not sure about, come back later."

SCD is also related to (or might be a different name for or a subset of, depending on who you ask) Semantic Pragmatic Disorder, which is specifically about verbal communication and the social use of language. Or at least, thats what I've read. Idk if its 100% accurate.


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03 May 2014, 12:30 am

American Psychiatric Association explanation
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Social%20 ... 0Sheet.pdf

Criteria by the National Autism Network
http://nationalautismnetwork.com/about- ... order.html



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It is reaction to the perception that there is widespread over diagnosis of people who are socially awkward losers/excuse maker aspies wannabies. It is a slapdown http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dict ... ng-someone of these perceived people for several reasons. In the DSM 5 Social Communication Disorder is not a Autism Spectrum Disorder and there are no treatments. The SCD criteria is social impairment with no known other reason. How often is this literally going to happen?


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03 May 2014, 12:37 am

From what i heard, ASD and PDD-NOS can consist of Obsessiveness, motor Function and some other things while SCD only Effects Social Issues?

I honestly dont know


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03 May 2014, 2:48 am

ZombieBrideXD wrote:
From what i heard, ASD and PDD-NOS can consist of Obsessiveness, motor Function and some other things while SCD only Effects Social Issues?

I honestly dont know



"For example, while autism
spectrum disorder (ASD) does encompass communication problems, it also includes restricted, repeti
tive patterns of behavior, interests or activities and gives equal weight to both communication issues
and repetitive behaviors. ASD must be ruled out for SCD to be diagnosed".


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14 May 2014, 3:32 am

I am someone who, just as SCD got added into the DSM, got tagged with SCD.

The person assessing me commented that if he had met me sooner and if this had been before SCD became a diagnosis possibility, he would have dXed as PDD-NOS.

Why?

Because, essentially, I managed to curb the most of the 'other' behaviors and what was/is left was primarily, my unrelenting difficulty in socializing with others.

In essence, my assessor and therapist felt that I had - over time - moved past PDD-NOS and into SCD.

I find this interesting because according to the DSM, SCD is diagnosed only after eliminating ASD... but my assessor and therapist basically said I USED to be on the spectrum.

So what, exactly, is 'correct'?



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14 May 2014, 3:58 am

My son was diagnosed with ASD a year ago. Today, I wonder if SCD is the more accurate diagnosis. He has always loved playing with other kids and does not have problems with change or restrictive interests. He does perhaps stim a lot- mostly through hyper-active movements (I am not sure if they are ADHD related stimming or autism related). I have asked the therapists in Sweden about this and none of them even knew what SCD is.

What I am confused about is what types of behavior are considered repetitive? Are loud noises (e.g., whooo whoo or space ship sounds) and difficulty sitting still/spinning (the spinning happens often enough but it does not last long) repetitive behaviors? According to our therapists, his problems are with language and social communication, but not (relatively speaking) repetitive or restrictive behavior...



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14 May 2014, 6:50 am

PDDNOS can be very severe to very mild,it isnt automaticaly less severe than those of us with classical autism,its just different in presentation.


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10 Jun 2019, 6:57 pm

SCD should be part of ASD, the ridiculous segregation between these two disorders, is that SCD has the same features of Autism, without the presence of Restricted Interests and Repetitive Behaviours, people shouldn't have Restricted Interests and Repetitive Behaviors, just to be diagnosed with Autism, the Psychiatry should practice diagnosis for people with ASD, with Social Impairments and last resort for Restricted Interests and Repetitive Behaviours, the doctors make specific guess on how people with Autism Behave, but, why Restricted Interested and Repetitive Behavior? You have to understand that Autism is a Spectrum of all and other disorders that fit with Social impairments, caused by Biological and Genetic Mutations from both Genders, but, develops in, with or without Restricted Interests and Repetitive Behaviors, another was from Very Severe to a very Mild form of, Autism, Another word, a person with little to No Restricted Interests and Repetitive Behaviors, can be considered on the Autism Spectrum and be extremely High-Functioning

We should rename SCD to ASD-NOS


ASD-NOS - a person might not be considered Autistic, but have some Social Impairments and should be somewhere on the Spectrum, or might NOT, but has some delays, But, I would NOT Mind if people who would NOT meet the criteria for ASD but have SCD, would be allowed to get Autism Services, join Autism Communities, because people with Autism and SCD, BOTH have Social Impairments and have therapies that can help people with ASD or SCD to communicate, it is the same as you would to with ASD



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10 Jun 2019, 7:03 pm

To be bluntly Honest with you, you don't even need to show to restricted interests and repetitive behaviors to even be Autistic or anything else, we should just bring back PDD and PDD-NOS, because NOT All can fit in the same criteria as DSM calls it true Autism, so, if you do not show restricted interests and repetitive behaviors, you can be diagnosed with PDD-NOS and PDD can be even broader Spectrum, or the DSM should call it GNSD;


G= Genetic, N= Neurological, S=Spectrum, D= Disorder


GNSD will be more like Spectrum, much Broader than Autism, but includes Autism, it includes all Disorders that effects communication and Psychotic features from Genetic Mutations






Disorders part of GNSD:


*ASD
*SCD
*LD
*SD
*SD
*SPD


And many limitless other Disorders part of or relation to communication differences, from Genetic Mutations

GNSD should be a good start to be much than Broader than Autism and SCD, but, it is truly Pervasive Developmental Disorder, but, includes Disorders that is NOT Pervasive Developmental Disorder, but is a Psychotic Spectrum Disorder caused by Genetic Mutations



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10 Jun 2019, 7:04 pm

 


I have a Better Idea

The DSM can call it GPSD

G= Genetic, P= Psychological, S= Spectrum and D= Disorder

GPSD - a logical way of Diagnosing any Disorders that effects communication and other symptoms that is a Psychotic Disorder, or might not affect any communication or be Psychotic Disorder, but a Psychological Condition, from Genetic Mutations, known as; Pervasive Developmental Disorder and other Conditions that are not PDD, but are in the Spectrum, because, they are Genetic and/ or Biological and with GPSD, you can get Autism Services and Psychotic Services, as well, or, we call it, Psychological Services, as a group



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11 Jun 2019, 12:01 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
My Point of View
It is reaction to the perception that there is widespread over diagnosis of people who are socially awkward losers/excuse maker aspies wannabies. It is a slapdown http://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dict ... ng-someone of these perceived people for several reasons. In the DSM 5 Social Communication Disorder is not a Autism Spectrum Disorder and there are no treatments. The SCD criteria is social impairment with no known other reason. How often is this literally going to happen?

Why aren't there treatments for it? Surely anyone trained to treat autistic people could just as easily treat SCD as well?


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