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Ireland has been inhabited since the late stone age, and had large cities already in the 8. century. England invaded it in the 12th century.

In this case I have no problem with anyone's religion, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, or otherwise-- I have a problem with my government (US) sending money overseas to countries that act in undemocratic ways. I don't like Israelis, Palestinians, Egyptians, or any other group that infringes on the basic human rights of others through violence. Same goes for my own country, I refuse to support those in power that use force unnecessarily whether that be Bush's ground wars in Iraq/Afghanistan or Obama's drone wars in Yemen/Somalia.

Israel is the only democratic country in the Middle East. A powerful military is what keeps Iran at bay.

First, being a democracy only proves Plato's two thousand year old concerns about the tyranny of uneducated masses. Even democracy can run astray, creating an apartheid system is nothing new to democracy.

Second, keeping Iran at bay from what exactly? Acquiring nuclear weapons? I hate to tell you this but I've been hearing the tired old "Iran is less than two years from acquiring nuclear weapons" argument since 1991. Obviously they're either complete morons and will never figure it out, or the intelligence of their nuclear program is greatly exaggerated. Also, Iran is hated by every other country in the middle east aside from Iraq. If the threat were serious you'd see everyone from Saudi Arabia to Turkey attack them.

Besides, I reject the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" argument when it's clear neither is my friend. It's tedious and outdated. I say let my enemy and the enemy of my enemy fight it out and watch them both fall.

Israel has free elections, a press that's more free than the rest of the middle east, options for homosexual couples to adopt, no death penalty and so on. That sounds democratic to me. Even if you count the human-rights violations on Gaza, Israel is still no worse than most European countries.

Most intelligent people are actually sick of hearing "but, but, Apartheid!" every time you corner someone who hates Israel for no rational reason.



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They already have those.




Iran is allied with Hamas, Syria and Lebanon, to mention a few. The country is also on good terms with Russia, China, and Venezuela, and was even backed by the USSR at one point.



If your enemy's enemy is still your enemy, why no boycott of Iran, Yemen or Saudi-Arabia?

So, the argument here is that because the Palestinians suck at building rockets compared to the Israelis, they should get a pass on lobbing them at civilians?

I'm going to assume English is not your first language and give you a pass since you obviously didn't comprehend my point. I'll make it absolutely clear: I will not support any country, leader, political party, etc. that uses violence against civilians or infringes on another person's natural human right to life.

That includes every group/country you mentioned: Hamas, Iran, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, AND Israel. All of them act like rabid dogs. There is no double standard here, none of those groups believe in the sanctity of life, so I refuse to support any of them.

As for a boycott, I say boycott the entire region, Jew, Muslim, Christian, poor countries as well as oil producing countries. I'm sick an tired of that entire region acting like uncivilized barbarians and sucking in the rest of the world to their self created drama.

We collectively give MORE AID to all of Israels stated and likely potential enemies than we do to Israel. I am not convinced that we should be giving aid to ANY of them in the first place, or anyone else for that matter. We are going BROKE here at home. We complain about not having money for health care while we fund militarys around the world to the tune of billions and billions, more than the entire cost of all the health care here in the U.S.

With all the money we spend on aid we could replace every coal plant with 4 equivalent alternative power plants AND modernize out national power grid. We could pretty much do EVERYTHING we want to on a national level here at home within a few short years with the money we send over seas.

And that, in a nutshell, is why I can't take the "pro-Palestinian" side seriously. Because they think rockets flung in indiscriminate directions meant to KILL are nothing but gnats.

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Now, how did Hamas treat ethnic minorities, women, political opponents, and homosexuals again? They get a free pass because they're not jews?and because they're allied with several socialist governments.



We've seen this salute before, haven't we?

Try identifying AS a Palestinian within Israel, and see how your rights fare.

The point is not that arabs are being denied rights within Israel, but arabs who refuse to renounce their Palestinian identity.

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Try identifying as an Israelite within Palestinian territories, and see how your rights fare.

It's illegal for a Palestinian to sell land to a Jew in the Palestinian territories. They will be killed for it in Gaza.

1- With the exception of political sympathisers or aid workers, what possible motive would a Israeli/Jew have for wanting to live in the OPT other than to affront Palestinian sovereignty and provoke more violence?

2-That comparison is completely blind to the material realities on the ground. The West Bank and Gaza is on the verge of annihilation because of settlers moving in. For Palestinians to sell land to Jews would serve nothing other than to expedite that process.

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Last time i checked, settlers receive legal immunity despite breaking Israeli law, large packets of land stolen from Palestinians behind the agreed peace line and copious amounts of cash from the Israeli government. The rights of Israelis living in Palestine fare pretty well from what i can see.