Tequila wrote:
I get his point entirely, which is different. He wasn't advocating for that. I quite agree with him in that if a gay person wants that kind of service, they shouldn't be prevented from having it. He's not advocating that a gay person take up that service.
So he's standing against some sort of oppression of gays who are apparently
prevented from being "turned"?
That's not how it reads to me - both as it stands and in the context of his other wafflings about homosexuality, and even
if it reads as claimed - it seems rather an odd issue to make a campaign poster about.
"A vote for Roger is a vote for better support for gays who don't want to be gay" -
really now? Nope; still whiffs of a hidden agenda.
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With the 'homophobia' comments, what he meant was that there are few people that actually fear homosexuality and gay people. They just don't like them (or hate them, or whatever) - so the term "anti-gay" would be better. His point is to do with terminology.
Ah yes, he's playing a pedant card and attempting to dilute the issue.
Denigrate and remove the word widely used to describe an issue and the issue goes away, eh? Straight out of
Nineteen Eighty-Four, and I expect Goebbels would be proud.
Roger Helmer wrote:
So to the extent that the word has any meaning at all, it describes something which simply does not exist. ?Homophobia? is merely a propaganda device designed to denigrate and stigmatise those holding conventional opinions, which have been held by most people through most of recorded history.
Wikipedia wrote:
Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia Stonewall wrote:
Homophobia is the irrational hatred, intolerance, and fear of lesbian, gay and bisexual (LGB) people.
These negative feelings fuel the myths, stereotypes, and discrimination that can lead to violence against LGB people.
https://www.stonewall.org.uk/at_home/se ... s/2697.aspI especially liked this:
"stigmatise those holding conventional opinions, which have been held by most people through most of recorded history" - which applies equally to slavery, the oppression of women, child labour, etc.
Presumably he also wants to retain the "conventional opinions" which made all those things acceptable? No, thought not.
He has some other interesting opinions related to homosexuality too:
Roger Helmer wrote:
Although I deny that it constitutes discrimination. It is just that same-sex couples have chosen to enter into a relationship in which marriage is not relevant, or appropriate, or indeed possible.
http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/200 ... ome-stick/ (plus the earlier quote above. The comments are worth a scan to see the wider disagreement with this crap)
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He doesn't think climate change is a lie, he disagrees with the concept of AGW.
Then he is a fool.
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As for the comments on 'rape' - they were part of a long article and comments that I'd like to dig up and re-read again. Helmer is sort of embarrassed that he made those comments because they are detracting from his campaign in Newark.
So, not embarrassed because of their content, just "sort of" embarrassed because they're interfering with his campaign?
Well, that's Ok then...
Roger Helmer wrote:
It is naive for a woman to undress and get into a man?s bed and not expect him to draw the obvious conclusion.
http://rogerhelmermep.wordpress.com/201 ... lly-right/Quote:
Again, he's not suggesting shooting rioters straight off,
Not
yet, anyway...
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but do whatever makes them stop.
Oh wait, he is.
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