What if Obama forged his Birth Certificate?

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They may have tried, but it would not have been nearly effective. The fact that he had dark skin, a Muslim father, and an unfortunate middle name is what gave it so much traction.

Maybe so, but I sincerely doubt you'd see the obvious racism rearing it's ugly head, as you do with the baseless accusations against Obama. And that's because since the civil rights era, and Nixon's southern strategy, the Republican leadership has been courting the racist vote under the guise of state's rights, and so that sort of bullsh*t is tolerated.

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Just like anyone that didn't vote for Obama is a racist.

Well, rather than stating something again and again that I had never said (that anyone who didn't vote for Obama is a racist), why don't you explain in a cogent argument how I'm wrong?

The Democrats HAD that chance already. The very guy the GOP nominated to run against Obama was an Army brat born in the Panama Canal Zone.

Though both his parents were American, and though the zone was American controlled (like a colony), John McCain was not born in the actual USA.

The Dems were quite aware of that, and choose not to make it an issue.

And this birth certificate stink about Obama never really came from the mainstream GOP either -for that matter. It came from the fringe tea partiers, and talk radio.

If McCain had won, AND if after taking office John McCain suddenly started to act like Idi Amin, or Nero, then Dems and republicans alike might well have seized upon the techniicality of his birth as a legal excuse to get him out of the oval office (like how they nailed Al Capone on income tax evasion).

You may think that Obama is as bad as Caligula, but atleast you waited for him to act to pass judgement.

The moment Obama won the first election "impeach obama" groups sprang up across the nation. Exactly what "high crimes and misdamenors" did Obama commit before he even got sworn into office? I think that we all know the answer to that. The highcrime was being Black, and the misdemenor was having a funny Islamic sounding name.

I'm convinced he was born in Hawaii. The trick would be, if he was born in the USA, but he was represented at birth as a foreign national, that would produce a bit of an ambiguity. I'm betting the secrecy is because his parents tried jockying the system and produced an ambiguity regarding his nationality at birth.

While you may not have actually said (at least on WP that I'm aware of) that anyone who didn't vote for Obama did so purely out of racism, your insistence that the sole reason for the birther movement is strictly out of racism implies the former.

No, not at all. Again, not everyone who voted against Obama is a racist, and neither are all those people birthers. But the fact is obvious, it's almost incredible to conceive how a birther could not be a racist.

There is little data to obtain from to suggest otherwise. I think everyone deserves a chance to be a president including those who came from different backgrounds. I remember a documentary though which seemed to suggest long lost ancestors like third cousins and so on, from his grandfather's paternal background and an infidelity may have existed but if we trace back some things, even we may not like what we find.

So, I'm left to confide in the good of Obama's take on a Global Planet that needs rescuing.
(Obama talks to David Attenborough, our loveable naturalist Godfather who is now 89 years old and really living it up).

Well, if you beat the republicans this time, maybe we'll side again on this issue.

I wouldn't go as far as saying all the "birthers" are racist. Some of them may only be cretinous right wing ideologues.

Or paranoid xenophobic crusaders.

That first bit looks about set to be true and if you listen to the vid about what Obama is saying, as he actually grew up there. However that last bit, well if like you say, he was born a foreign national and had obtained a visa, then we are all guilty of something. Holding someone to ransom just because you don't like them leaves a dry taste in the mouth and tackling hate crime is something our system is proud of, and not just because we harbour lots of them.
There was something on the news about someone related to Obama, claiming to be his cousin, last name Obama, but Britain abolished slavery. As I say, I dislike any racist ideology and these things should abolished for good.

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Well then, I guess we all face certain doom...unless he's a friendly reptoid shapeshifter.

I am pretty certain that he is really a purple dinosaur who sings "I love you...you love me...".

Check out:

http://www.obamasrealfather.com/

It argues that the truth has nothing to do with Kenya.

Doesn't matter. If he was born on American soil then he was born an American citizen. If a pregnant Japanese woman is shipwrecked on American soil, and while shipwrecked she gives birth to a child-that child is an American citizen by American law. Doesn't matter that both parents are Japanese, and that neither desires to emigrate to the U.S. and that both consider all three (parents and newborn) to be Japanese nationals. Not that the parents aren't free to take the kid back to Japan. But if the kid ran for US president forty seven years later he/she could rightly claim to have been born "an American citizen".