What if Obama forged his Birth Certificate?

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No. there wasn't. It was a load of fabricated nonsense.



^100% untrue. His birth certificate was in Chicago available for inspection on request from the beginning and his long form birth certificate was released by the state of Hawaii quite some time ago. And what proof has been actually debunked?



^100% true and 100% irrelevant.



Which countries were those exactly? And while you're at it, which countries will not let you enter with a US passport?



^so what? Hundreds of millions of people across the globe have dual citizenship (which he automatically had from birth to the age of 23 due to his father's citizenship).



No, there isn't.



We can't see them because they don't exist, not because they are sealed. Or is it the Freemasons keeping the lid on this one?



How exactly?



It was a bunch of Republicans who have no moral qualms about making up anything they want and then "just putting it out there" in order to shift the polls by a percentage point or two. Standard political tactic (Rove and his "Hilary has brain damage" crap is a recent example).

I supposed you are still convinced he is a Muslim as well? And that he is a member of a (christian) religious extremist group in Chicago? And that he is part of the New World Order and the anti-christ and plans to enslave us in sharia law?

The OP is really asking two questions. One about his birthplace, and the other about forging a document about his place of birth.

If it were shown that Obama had "faked his birth certificate" that would be forging a document. Thats one issue.

Lets say that they just never found any birth certificate for him at all. All that we had was hearsay, and little more.

Lets say that somehow someone produced evidence that his momma delivered him before she boarded the plane to the USA instead of after. That would show that on a petty technicality he (according to one interpretation) violated a vaguely worded rule in the constitution when we elected him over another guy (John McCain- a military brat born in the Panama Canal Zone) who MAY ALSO have violated the same vaguely worded rule in the constitution (according to some interpretations of that same rule).

If that happened early in his first administration then only the extreme ideologues would give a crap because it would be like learning that a President had once smoke pot when he was 17. No one but the rabidly antiObama would care (rabid for whatever reason- many are clearly racist).

And if it happened tomorrow even the extreme ideologues wouldnt care about his newly revealed Kenyan birth per se because its too late in the day (why lock the barn door after the horse was stolen one and half terms of office ago).

However- the deliberate falsifaction of a document WOULD get Obama in trouble because it would deliberate fraud. Thats always the way it is- the cover up itsself is AlWAYS more damaging than the thing being covered up.

What universe were you operating in during 2008? NEVER was his birth certificate made available for inspection. Never did Hawaii release it. Had that been the case, the whole issue would never have come up. The only copy ever released to the public came from the Obama White House. The legal pleadings to compel production from Hawaii's custodian of records stipulated the reasons for why it was needed. The Obama White House released a "birth certificate" to make the issue so political that no court would touch it. So long as they resisted, it granted credibility to the demand for production.

For starters, his short form was most definitely available in 2008, and was inspected by staff from Factcheck as well as independently by hundreds of conservative groups who all came to the conclusion that this proved nothing.

Hawaii has strict confidentiality regulations on birth records, but in 2011, Obama was granted a waiver and the long form was released.

In addition, his birth announcement in the newspaper was made public in 2008 during the Democratic primaries, further blasting this baseless garbage out of the water.

2008:
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

2009:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/obama-and-kenya-again/

2010:
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/05/the-obama-birth-chronicles-chapter-ccxcviii/

2011:
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/indeed-born-in-the-u-s-a/

2012:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

But I'm sure all those memes on Facebook are probably more accurate, right?

/\ ... and the Hawaii State Government has - on multiple occasions - confirmed that the birth certificate released from the White House matched the birth certificate in state records.

But nooo... The State of Hawaii must be in on the conspiracy as well...

I couldn't believe it when I saw this topic posted and I can't believe it's gotten to 5 pages. Those who still question Obama's place of birth should be embarassed. I know politicians play hardball trying to discredit each other, but this one is just silly. He produced the documents now let's move on.

While we are on the topic of presidential eligibility and citizenship... here is an interesting comparison from a recent US poll.

1. When asked if a child born to a US mother and a non-US father inside the US is eligible to run for president, the following percentages say "no":

- 18 percent of Conservatives and 14 percent of Republicans
- 12 percent of Liberals and 9 percent of Democrats.

2. When asked if a child born to a US mother and a non-US father outside the US is eligible to run for president, the following percentages say "no":

- 55 percent of Conservatives and 52 percent of Republicans
- 47 percent of Liberals and 51 percent of Democrats.

3. When asked if Barack Obama is eligible to run for president, the following percentages say "no":

- 50 percent of Conservatives and 55 percent of Republicans
- 16 percent of Liberals and 11 percent of Democrats.

4. When asked if Ted Cruz is eligible to run for president, the following percentages say "no":

- 13 percent of Conservatives and 9 percent of Republicans.
- 26 percent of Liberals and 26 percent of Democrats.

Sources:
http://today.yougov.com/news/2014/05/22 ... n-citizen/
http://today.yougov.com/news/2014/05/23 ... -ted-cruz/
http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_uploads/d ... Report.pdf (pages 18, 20, 52 and 56)

The stark differences between Republican/Conservative answers in (2) and (4) - more than 40 percentage points for both - are kind of funny...

... as Ted Cruz is born to a US mother and a non-US father outside the US.

Well obviously the State of Hawaii is controlled by the Rosicrucians, the Rothchildes, and the Reptoids!

The REAL "three R's"!

And the fact that there is no evidence for the conspiracy is... obvious PROOF of the conspiracy!! !! !! !! !! !! !!

Yeah, I'm sure America, with the largest clandestine intelligence capability on earth, would allow someone to run for president who wasn't eligible.

The fact remains, no other President would have had his birth place put through so much scrutiny other than for the fact that Obama is our first black President. The racial component to this is undeniable.

/\ And if we'd elected a republican president that possibly might have been foreign born I'd be willing to bet the left would have taken the same "birther" path in an attempt to dethrone him.

They may have tried, but it would not have been nearly effective. The fact that he had dark skin, a Muslim father, and an unfortunate middle name is what gave it so much traction.

Maybe so, but I sincerely doubt you'd see the obvious racism rearing it's ugly head, as you do with the baseless accusations against Obama. And that's because since the civil rights era, and Nixon's southern strategy, the Republican leadership has been courting the racist vote under the guise of state's rights, and so that sort of bullsh*t is tolerated.

/\ Why, certainly!
Just like anyone that didn't vote for Obama is a racist.

Well, rather than stating something again and again that I had never said (that anyone who didn't vote for Obama is a racist), why don't you explain in a cogent argument how I'm wrong?

The Democrats HAD that chance already. The very guy the GOP nominated to run against Obama was an Army brat born in the Panama Canal Zone.

Though both his parents were American, and though the zone was American controlled (like a colony), John McCain was not born in the actual USA.

The Dems were quite aware of that, and choose not to make it an issue.

And this birth certificate stink about Obama never really came from the mainstream GOP either -for that matter. It came from the fringe tea partiers, and talk radio.

If McCain had won, AND if after taking office John McCain suddenly started to act like Idi Amin, or Nero, then Dems and republicans alike might well have seized upon the techniicality of his birth as a legal excuse to get him out of the oval office (like how they nailed Al Capone on income tax evasion).

You may think that Obama is as bad as Caligula, but atleast you waited for him to act to pass judgement.

The moment Obama won the first election "impeach obama" groups sprang up across the nation. Exactly what "high crimes and misdamenors" did Obama commit before he even got sworn into office? I think that we all know the answer to that. The highcrime was being Black, and the misdemenor was having a funny Islamic sounding name.