Ever Have This Interaction with Someone?

Page 1 of 2 [ 25 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

League_Girl
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2010
Gender: Female
Posts: 27,205
Location: Pacific Northwest

25 May 2014, 6:15 pm

How about "You're getting too excited' and "you got excited over nothing" and "you got upset over nothing." That can also apply to people with anxiety which is common in autism. "It's not a big deal" I hate that. To me it is a big deal.


_________________
Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed.

Daughter: NT, no diagnoses.


Al725
Toucan
Toucan

User avatar

Joined: 13 Sep 2012
Age: 44
Gender: Male
Posts: 271

25 May 2014, 11:00 pm

Adamantium wrote:
Yes this is one of a few infuriating things people say.

You're overreacting.
Get over it.
Snap out of it.

Then there is the statement about something you care deeply about:

It's not important.
It's not that big of a deal.
No one cares about that.

Gah!


I say the first 3 to my kid. He's 8 and a tad bit spoiled by his mom.



wozeree
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Aug 2013
Age: 62
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,344

25 May 2014, 11:40 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
redcatbluecat wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:

I disagree with you. Completely.

Why isn't it "fair," for Leonard to perceive the situation as he perceives it? To Leonard, Sheldon is overreacting. Period. Further to that, just like the words vs. hitting example, if the societal norm response is one thing and Sheldon's reaction is much more extreme, then he's overreacting.

As for the example with the kids, the point is that the kid's perception is wrong if s/he thinks that being called names is a 9/10 and worthy of a violent reaction. That's the whole point of teaching kids with a quantifiable scale so that they can understand. Heck, virtually ALL kids are taught these things with the phrase "Sticks and stones will break my bones, but words can never hurt me." It's not just Autistic kids that need to have this pointed out, it's a childhood learning thing.. but quantifying actions and reactions to gauge their level of appropriateness makes for a logical comparison that Autistic kids are more likely to understand and learn from.


We're not neurotypical so we will not have neurotypical responses. The way to deal with these 'overreactions' is not to try and conform to the societal norm but to accept this is how we feel. I have had a lifetime of trying to quash my natural response to fit in with society's ideas of how I "should" react, and it only leads to meltdown or shutdown/depression later. If I accept my response, even if it is an overreaction by society's standards, I can then decide logically how to deal with it in a way that doesn't hurt me or others. I've only learnt this recently (yes I'm a slow learner) and it's really liberating. So, in this example, although I haven't seen the episode, it seems that Sheldon understands how he feels about change and is taking the entirely sensible action of going away to think about it. It may not be how Leonard processes it but it doesn't mean he's wrong. It would be unfair to Leonard if Sheldon told him that his (Leonard's) reaction to the impending change was wrong, but it's not unfair to him to say he shouldn't criticise Sheldon for 'overreacting'.

And the hitting example is a completely different thing altogether. If Sheldon hit Leonard then of course he is in the wrong and it would then be unfair to stop Leonard from saying so.


Bolded the part that matters.. you've acknowledged yourself that you do in fact need to figure out ways to interact with others that are socially acceptable. That's my point.

As for Sheldon/Leonard, you've reiterated my point again as I pointed out to the OP that it's not fair to say Sheldon's reaction should be accepted but Leonard's reaction to Sheldon shouldn't. I was commenting on the OP's commentary, not on what was described as being played out in the show.

IMO the hitting example is relevant as it makes it very clear what is and isn't an acceptable reaction to something, and quantifies reactions on a relative scale to give logical explanations to Autistic kids/minds of what is and isn't socially acceptable in terms of reactions to things. The point is to that Autistics need to learn what overreactions are so that they can try to avoid them as best they can in the future.


Hi goldfish! I think I get what you are trying to say - that it's not right that Shelden's opinion alone is being automatically considered as valid. Leonard is a human, therefor he has a right to his opinion on the matter also. (I've never seen this show, except for a few clips, but I can picture that scene).

I agree with you sort of. The problem is that their opinions are not about a subject that each of them has equal "ownership" or even equal perspective of. It's about how Shelden feels about his world changing, and how he wants to deal with that. Therefore, his perspective should be listened to. That's not to say that a good friend can't talk to him and help him see different perspectives, but the argument here is that "you are overreacting," isn't helping him see a different perspective, but is just trying to get him to stuff his feelings down his throat and act like nothing is bothering him.

As for this -
Quote:
Autistics need to learn what overreactions are so that they can try to avoid them as best they can in the future


Being Autistic means that you often value different things then other people. It's not over reaction, it's different reaction.

Kids hitting is not the same thing as being upset because your home and your (I assume the comic book shop is one of his favorite places) are endangered. Totally different argument. Also, Autistic kids aren't the only ones who want to hit when they are called names.



musician_enigma
Raven
Raven

User avatar

Joined: 14 Dec 2013
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Posts: 119
Location: ..... Jupiter.

26 May 2014, 5:39 am

Don't tell me I'm overreacting... you're the one who's underreacting.

Typically though, I'm in the position of being too calm/stoic on the surface. Supressed reaction...
I can "overreact" depending on the circumstance. Yes, I can be dramatic, behind the stoic demeanor is a huge amount of passion that slips out occasionally. I brainstorm solutions to my problems then take action, additionally, telling me I am "overreacting" is very counterproductive...



Waterfalls
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jun 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,075

26 May 2014, 8:57 am

What looks like an overreaction isn't always.

I remember the one time I hit another child when I was growing up, it was in response to her provocative words in the moment.

But less than an hour or two earlier, she and two friends had been talking to me in what seemed to me a friendly way....until I woke up on the ground alone.

Looking back, cannot say I overreacted. Those girls probably weren't evil, but there was no adult to set a limit, I lacked the words to do so verbally, and who knows what they'd have done to me or another vulnerable child next if there was no pushback---they had either knocked me unconscious or encouraged me into something where I fell. Then disappeared leaving me unconscious on the ground. And when I returned to the group where the adults were, the one started right in verbally tormenting me. They needed push back of some kind to stop.

Not saying this kind of thing happens much, just that we should be careful assuming we know more than we do why someone acts the way they do.



Kiriae
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Mar 2014
Age: 35
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,349
Location: Kraków, Poland

26 May 2014, 11:37 am

Actually it is overreacting. I know it and you should realize it too.

Of course, while the feelings are on tick it feels natural and I can't imagine how else I could react because the emotions are too strong to deal with. But once the stage is over I am somehow able to deal with the thing that triggered my breakdown and I do it just fine. I am aware that my emotions in situations like this are just too strong and I am overreacting (emotions are unconscious reactions to a trigger so by creating the emotions my body is overreacting to a situation) and since I realized the pattern I am able to stand changes a little better. I still experience the emotions but I know I am overreacting and once the stage is over I will be able to deal with the situation. The knowledge prevents me from doing something stupid and actually make the meltdown pass faster because it stops the worry thoughts that appear that would otherwise would make the meltdown stronger ("What am I gonna do?", "This is the end of world!", "It is impossible!", "I can't deal with it!" - I destroy them all by a simple "Your emotions make you see the situation much worse than it really is. Stop worrying, it will be fine once you calm down. It always is.").
I know I will be able to deal with it once emotions drop down even if it seem impossible at the moment because I did it many times in the past. It is a pattern that is always true.



Waterfalls
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jun 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,075

26 May 2014, 12:42 pm

People saying one is overreacting directly is almost guaranteed to make things worse. If they offer help implicit in this is the message one can get through this, which is helpful. I see a huge difference though between the two. And I HATE being told I'm overreacting, too.

I react to what my understanding of a situation is. And to my ability to cope with it. No more, no less.



StarTrekker
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Apr 2012
Age: 31
Gender: Female
Posts: 3,088
Location: Starship Voyager, somewhere in the Delta quadrant

26 May 2014, 6:51 pm

wozeree wrote:
The problem is that their opinions are not about a subject that each of them has equal "ownership" or even equal perspective of. It's about how Shelden feels about his world changing, and how he wants to deal with that. Therefore, his perspective should be listened to. That's not to say that a good friend can't talk to him and help him see different perspectives, but the argument here is that "you are overreacting," isn't helping him see a different perspective, but is just trying to get him to stuff his feelings down his throat and act like nothing is bothering him.


This is exactly what I was trying to get at; Leonard's opinion is not invalid, but it does automatically make Sheldon's invalid; his feelings and reactions are being ignored, and he's not being helped in any way. A response that took Sheldon's point of view into consideration might be something along the lines of, "I know there are a lot of big changes happening right now, and I imagine that feels very overwhelming and alarming, but I think you'll find after a while that they're not really so bad." This gives Leonard the opportunity to point out that he doesn't see the changes as catastrophic, as Sheldon does, but also permits Sheldon his current emotions.


_________________
"Survival is insufficient" - Seven of Nine
Diagnosed with ASD level 1 on the 10th of April, 2014
Rediagnosed with ASD level 2 on the 4th of May, 2019
Thanks to Olympiadis for my fantastic avatar!


Simplegirlviv
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker
Yellow-bellied Woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 1 Jun 2014
Age: 57
Gender: Female
Posts: 53

05 Jun 2014, 8:04 am

When my mum died and I dipped into depression I was told to snap out of it as my depression was killing them. He really couldn't see what he was saying wrong.



Sigbold
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 2 Jan 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,930
Location: Netherlands

05 Jun 2014, 9:14 am

StarTrekker wrote:
*Spoiler Alert for the Season 7 Finale of The Big Bang Theory: If you haven't seen it, be warned!*


I stopped watching it some years ago, and what you have written here is just an extra reason for no longer watching it.

On one of the most recent episodes
Quote:
of The Big Bang Theory, after Sheldon is threatened with being kicked out of his apartment and discovers that the comic book store has burned down, he's at the train station ready to leave, and Leonard asks what he can do.


Up to this point I would say that Leonard is actually being supportive for his friend.

Quote:
Sheldon says, "Leonard, I am overwhelmed. Everything is changing and it's simply too much. I need to get away and think," to which Leonard replies, "Come on, you know you're overreacting."


Please say that there was no laugh track playing during this scene. I would understand if the writers have let him say that Leonard thinks Sheldon is overreacting. Alto one could presume that with all those years they have lived together Leonard should know by now how Sheldon responds to these kind of situations. Not to mention that Leonard's mother is basically like Sheldon.