Is 'fighting for democracy' an oxymoron?
DentArthurDent wrote:
To answer the title of this thread, no it's not as long as a majority are fighting for change. As a socialist I see nothing undemocratic if the masses unite in either peaceful or violent revolution to overthrow an economic system which they do not want. However if a small group of revolutionary socialists took up arms and forced a majority of people to accept their ideology then that is the antithesis of democracy and by my definition it would also be the antithesis of socialism.
Indeed there has been rightful revolutions, peaceful and violent ones, and some of them had a good outcome, i.e. people really did get what they were fighting for, at least to a point (we know how it goes, nothing is perfect). One of the problems that happens sometimes tho, is that some narcissistic psychopath sometimes takes over a revolution, and they end up with a dictator worse than the previous one. For example, this is exactly what happened in Iran in 1979, when Khomeini hijacked the revolution, many Iranians would tell you that Khomeini was much worse than the Shah of Iran. That's why eventho Mir Hossein Mousavi was one of the leaders of the revolution in 1979, he was also leading the Green movement for freedom in 2009.
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MrGrumpy wrote:
There is a clear failure of the Western powers to support the protection of democracy in the many African countries which are at war with their own people.
And tonight I heard on the radio that the Western powers are no longer inclined to get involved in, or accept responsibility for, the failure of their assault on Iraq.
And tonight I heard on the radio that the Western powers are no longer inclined to get involved in, or accept responsibility for, the failure of their assault on Iraq.
We have no business imposing Democracy on others. It is up to them to fight for their own freedom. When we fight in their place for their future, we aren't doing them any favor.
Just to be clear, the United States does not have direct democracy. We are a federal republic with representative democracy. Our Constitution outlines the structure and powers of the central goverment. Each of our fifty states and commonwealths has a constitution. The American Constitution and our form of democracy are intended for Americans. They may not work well for other nations. It is arrogant to assume that all nations must have democracies.
AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
Okay, you're laying a lot of issues on the table.
I would say most wars do not end up improving bad circumstances. World War I where President Woodrow Wilson classically overpromised "making the world safe for democracy" and all at, when in fact it set the stage for World War II, in my book is a pretty prominent example of a bad war.
World War II was a necessary war, but there are far fewer of these wars than the general public seems to think.
And, I like what Gene Sharp has written about nonviolence, although it doesn't always work, it works in a wider range of circumstances the average person currently thinks it does.
I would say most wars do not end up improving bad circumstances. World War I where President Woodrow Wilson classically overpromised "making the world safe for democracy" and all at, when in fact it set the stage for World War II, in my book is a pretty prominent example of a bad war.
World War II was a necessary war, but there are far fewer of these wars than the general public seems to think.
And, I like what Gene Sharp has written about nonviolence, although it doesn't always work, it works in a wider range of circumstances the average person currently thinks it does.
Okay, your response technique is not up to WP standards. Don't you know about the WOQ ("Wall of Quotations") format of responding to WP posts?