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mr_bigmouth_502
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14 Jun 2014, 9:58 pm

reasons I don't like iOS
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- no third-party browsers (besides skins for Safari)
- no app sideloading
- no interface customization
- no FLAC playback
- you can't replace the stock onboard apps with third party alternatives
- you can't hook an iPad/iPhone/iPod up to a computer and simply drag and drop files; you have to use iTunes, which is a POS
- the hardware is more expensive and proprietary than Android devices, with nonstandard connectors and a lack of external storage
- less free apps available than Android
- I am a hipster who despises Apple and Apple products :P

What do you guys think? Does anyone else have the same vitriol against iOS devices that I do? :twisted:



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14 Jun 2014, 11:27 pm

Be prepared to be shot down on quite a few points.

First, you didn't look to closely in the Apple App Store, did you? There is Chrome, Diigo, Mercury, and Atlas light, to name a few browsers.

Second, Have you ever heard of Cydia? You can find anything you want on Cydia, most times for free. Cydia also has a ton of apps that will allow you to customize the UI. You have to be willing to jailbreak your device in order to do so. Yes, I have jail broken several iPhones and iPod Touches in the past. I usually end up bricking them, which is one of the reasons I no longer do so.

Third, side loading apps is possible in iOS. Look at http://ios.wonderhowto.com/how-to/sidel ... g-0147456/ for one example.

You can do drag and drop to iOS devices, it just takes third party software to do so. And before you tell me you can do so natively in Android and Windows, why is it I need software to do this for copying apps and music to a SD-card on an android phone?

Yes there are several FLAC players in the Apple App Store, if you even bothered to look. There are also several FLAC players on Cydia.

I will concede about the proprietary connectors and the memory limitations, although there are a few products that still in development, and are probably vapor ware, on expanding memory on an iOS device. I will also concede that Apple hardware is expensive. But what hardware/software company is currently making money hand over fist with their portable devices.

In the future, you might want to do a little more research before blowing smoke up everybody's collectives arses.



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14 Jun 2014, 11:32 pm

Reasons I don't like iOS: Everything.



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15 Jun 2014, 12:45 am

Meistersinger wrote:
First, you didn't look to closely in the Apple App Store, did you? There is Chrome, Diigo, Mercury, and Atlas light, to name a few browsers.


Technically, by Apple's policies they are all required to use the same rendering engine as Safari.

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Second, Have you ever heard of Cydia? You can find anything you want on Cydia, most times for free. Cydia also has a ton of apps that will allow you to customize the UI. You have to be willing to jailbreak your device in order to do so. Yes, I have jail broken several iPhones and iPod Touches in the past. I usually end up bricking them, which is one of the reasons I no longer do so..


I'm well aware of what Cydia and jailbreaking are. I also know that they can be more trouble to deal with than they are worth, at least from what I have heard. The Android "equivalent", which would be rooting, is relatively painless in comparison. I've rooted two of my own Android phones, and bricked neither of them. Even when I thought I bricked my old one, it was merely due to a faulty charger, and I managed to resurrect it quite easily.

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Third, side loading apps is possible in iOS. Look at http://ios.wonderhowto.com/how-to/sidel ... g-0147456/ for one example.


OK, you honestly beat me there, but again, it's much more trouble than it is on Android, where you can simply download an apk and install it, and it relies on an exploit that Apple is likely going to patch once it finds out about it. As well, it only works for open-source applications, and not precompiled binaries, and it requires a Mac. Bleh.

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You can do drag and drop to iOS devices, it just takes third party software to do so. And before you tell me you can do so natively in Android and Windows, why is it I need software to do this for copying apps and music to a SD-card on an android phone?


What programs allow this? Also, this doesn't get around the fact that you can't explore the internal filesystem structure of an iOS device.

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Yes there are several FLAC players in the Apple App Store, if you even bothered to look. There are also several FLAC players on Cydia.


I never knew that. I don't own an iOS device, I've only ever played around with other people's and gotten bored with them after 5 minutes with how limited they are.

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I will concede about the proprietary connectors and the memory limitations, although there are a few products that still in development, and are probably vapor ware, on expanding memory on an iOS device. I will also concede that Apple hardware is expensive. But what hardware/software company is currently making money hand over fist with their portable devices.


The way things are going at Apple, you can't even replace the RAM on their newer laptops. They are firmly against expandability; they want you to buy a new device every 2 years. The reason why they make so much money is because their products are "hip" and "trendy" and appeal to non-technical users, and they have managed to find a way to sucker people into buying new iProducts every 2 years.

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In the future, you might want to do a little more research before blowing smoke up everybody's collectives arses.


What can I say? I'm a hipster who hates Apple. Of course I'm going to be biased. :P Truthfully, I don't like Google or Micro$oft much either, but I am at least willing to tolerate them somewhat. If it were at all practical for day to day use, I would use Linux exclusively on all of my PCs and mobile devices, but it's not, so I have to put up with products made by big evil corporations.



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15 Jun 2014, 5:33 am

If you look at the tech documents Apple provides with XCode, iOS internal file system is essentially BSD.

I've been in IT over 25 years, coming from a music history and library science background. Quite frankly, I'd rather go back to the days of character cell interfaces, such as CP/M, MS-DOS 6, openVMS, and the Korn shell. File maintenance is a helluva lot easier in those interfaces. Besides, notice how some of the older games, like Duke Nukem, ran a lot faster under command line interfaces than under a GUI (and a GUI like Windows 8, Mavericks, KDE and GNOME have slowed down everything. Hell, my Late 2012 Mac Mini with 16 GB Ranran a lot faster under Mountain Lion, than it does Mavericks, Windows 7, Windows 8, Ubuntu 13, or OpenSuse. I'm slowly getting to the point of ditching what I currently have, and installing either Slackware Linux or NetBSD or Plan9, where the GUI is optional. I'd even run openVMS on this machine, if HP would release it as Open source.)



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15 Jun 2014, 6:38 pm

Looking back, I think computing was much better back when everything was commandline based and you had to know what you were doing to use a computer. With the proliferation of GUI interfaces, it's made things too easy for n00bs who don't know what they are doing, and as a result most of the major OSes nowadays pander to these users at the expense of things that benefit power users. Your typical Joe Sixpack doesn't give a s**t if his computer delivers top-notch performance, just as long as he can go on Facebook, play dumb casual games, and watch porn. I know, that's a really blunt way of putting it, but that's kind of what I think. I have some experience with CLIs, and I do prefer them to GUIs in some ways, though I wish I would have started using computers in an era before GUIs became common, so that I would have better CLI skills.



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16 Jun 2014, 11:10 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
With the proliferation of GUI interfaces, it's made things too easy for n00bs who don't know what they are doing, and as a result most of the major OSes nowadays pander to these users at the expense of things that benefit power users....

have some experience with CLIs, and I do prefer them to GUIs in some ways, though I wish I would have started using computers in an era before GUIs became common, so that I would have better CLI skills.


This makes no sense to me. Systems should be easy to use by idiots and hard to break. Power users can do things unskilled users can't but that doesn't somehow negate the value of computing technology to unskilled users!! !

Mac OS in no way limits my ability to spend all day in bash if I want to. If I can grep \((\d+):\d+\)$ when I need to, and it's greek to the typical mouse clicker, who cares? How does their lack of skill and experience impact me in any way? If someone else has mad skills that make me seem like one of your "joe six-pack" users in comparison, does my paltry coding and terminal skill somehow limit that user? Are we all somehow impeding Eric Raymond?

I think not.

It sounds to me like you want to more l337 than you are. Go for it. RTFM!



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21 Aug 2014, 4:06 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
reasons I don't like iOS
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- no third-party browsers (besides skins for Safari)
- no app sideloading
- no interface customization
- no FLAC playback
- you can't replace the stock onboard apps with third party alternatives
- you can't hook an iPad/iPhone/iPod up to a computer and simply drag and drop files; you have to use iTunes, which is a POS
- the hardware is more expensive and proprietary than Android devices, with nonstandard connectors and a lack of external storage
- less free apps available than Android
- I am a hipster who despises Apple and Apple products :P

What do you guys think? Does anyone else have the same vitriol against iOS devices that I do? :twisted:


Many od those, but what I didn't like most when I had an iPod, was that it would display the songs by title, and not the band/singer first, like I like it. I downloaded an app on my computer, and swapped the artist and and title for all my songs, so it worked.



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25 Aug 2014, 7:55 am

Used to be an apple fanboy until upgrading to iOS 7 on my iPhone 4 which is so slow to open apps and browse the web much prefer the moto g 4g where everything loads instant. And love the way the screen vibrates as I type



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25 Aug 2014, 2:48 pm

I've heard that newer versions of iOS often don't work well on older devices, and I know from experience on Android that if you have a low-end device, when your apps receive updates they'll often start slowing things down as well. The next time I get a new phone, I want it to be insanely high-end so I don't get left in the dust.



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28 Aug 2014, 11:59 pm

I have an iPhone 4S and haven't had major issues with iOS 7. Neither has my mom, also has a 4S



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01 Sep 2014, 12:20 pm

IOS is fine on mobile. I can't imagine using an apple computer and having it in a laptop/desktop environment.


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15 Sep 2014, 11:43 am

Sedentarian wrote:
IOS is fine on mobile. I can't imagine using an apple computer and having it in a laptop/desktop environment.


It would be strange Ios instead of Mac osx



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21 Sep 2014, 5:29 pm

Yes, iTunes is amazingly crappy, but you don't have to use it, at least if you have a Windows PC. There are many alternatives, some free, some not. I think that for all of them, you have to have iTunes installed on your PC, but you don't have to use it.
I struggled with iTunes for hours before deciding that learning how to use bad software was a waste of my time. I installed CopyTrans Manager, which is free, on my PC, and used it to put some ringtones on my iPhone. It was easy: just cut-n-paste, drag-n-drop, like any Windows program, not like that iTunes sh*t. I'd obtained the ringtones for free from audiko.net, not the iTunes Store.
I haven't used CopyTrans Manager with "real" songs yet, but I will.



mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
reasons I don't like iOS
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- no third-party browsers (besides skins for Safari)
- no app sideloading
- no interface customization
- no FLAC playback
- you can't replace the stock onboard apps with third party alternatives
- you can't hook an iPad/iPhone/iPod up to a computer and simply drag and drop files; you have to use iTunes, which is a POS
- the hardware is more expensive and proprietary than Android devices, with nonstandard connectors and a lack of external storage
- less free apps available than Android
- I am a hipster who despises Apple and Apple products :P

What do you guys think? Does anyone else have the same vitriol against iOS devices that I do? :twisted:


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27 Sep 2014, 4:26 pm

I'm getting ready to bite the bullet and shift to a PC with my next upgrade, and possibly learn a new operating system like Linux; I am so TO'd at Apple for the 'upgrades' that are actually downgrades that remove functionality. FFS, I can't even do real word processing on my desktop any more without shelling out $$$ for a new application. Textedit and Pages are not quite worthless, but close to it. I'm sick of glossy, pretty computers that can't do jack s**t and force you to spend all kinds of memory on s**t that you don't want.

I have been literally brought to bitter, coughing tears of frustration by how much my apple products suck now. Seriously, it's almost like some sort of social experiment on how much suck they can engineer in before people will quit.



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29 Sep 2014, 5:03 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
Your typical Joe Sixpack doesn't give a s**t if his computer delivers top-notch performance, just as long as he can go on Facebook, play dumb casual games, and watch porn....


Let's sing....

The Internet is for porn....

:lol:

While true, it's the ability of ordinary people to use computers that has revolutionized the world.

Indeed, the next big step is an OS so "intelligent" that it can improve/maintain itself. Tell the PC what you want to do, and it figures out how to do it.