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LoveNotHate
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21 Jul 2014, 4:47 pm

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That would be a relevant factoid other than the fact that the average income in India is less than $100 a month in US terms. So that $1583 heart surgery is unobtainable for the large majority of Indias population. You are distorting information to support your ideology.


It is you that is distorting facts. You are arguing that because a person's yearly income is roughly the same price as the surgery, then that person cannot afford an aorta bypass that they will need when they are 50 or 60 years old.

Indian people are know as feverish savers in gold. They learn to save for a rainy day. You don't think they can save their gold for old age (when most people would need this bypass surgery)?

Compare heart surgery for $1583 out of pocket (note as the article points out they are trying to get the price down to $800) to American culture where most people are broke or in debt, and the price is $106,000 and noone is trying to lower the prices.

The ACA platinum plans do not cover 100%, so the co-pay on that $106,000 may bankrupt most Americans, particularly as i said, the middle class who do not get the subsidies.


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21 Jul 2014, 5:05 pm

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The truth is that if the government got out of health care then the prices would collapse, and it would be affordable for so many people. This is how it is in India. Health care is very inexpensive, because the government does not pay for it. You are not seeing the damage the the US government is doing. It is bankrupting families with these high prices. It is making health care un-affordable.

And as we can see from the projected 110+ trillion Medicare deficit; it will bankrupt the US.

"In India 86 percent of health care is paid out of pocket by individuals". [see source 1]
"Heart Surgery in India for $1,583 Costs $106,385 in U.S." [see source 1]

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1. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-2 ... -u-s-.html


The surgery is made affordable by cutting corners.

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One of the ways in which Shetty is able to keep his prices low is by cutting out unnecessary pre-op testing, he said.

Urine samples that were once routine before surgery were eliminated when it was found that only a handful of cases tested positive for harmful bacteria.


In the U.S., the handful of people whose urine "tested positive for harmful bacteria" would be suing for malpractice. In order for prices to come down, Americans will have to have a more "s*t happens" acceptance of negative outcomes. Currently, we Americans expect doctors to do everything feasable to prevent a bad outcome (one of the things being pre-op testing) and expect doctors to also pull out all the stops and keep bad things from escalating if at all medically possible. That is very expensive. But it is what we've come to expect. That expectation must go out the window if we want healthcare as cheap as theirs.



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21 Jul 2014, 7:46 pm

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Then what are people without healthcare coverage supposed to do? Just die? Any country that allows the least of their citizens die off is guilty of depraved indifference and murder.


So you believe that if the government does not provide people with money for health insurance then they will roll up in a ball and die ?

Can't you make the same argument for everything ? What about umbrellas ? Won't people get wet in the rain if the government does not provide people with umbrellas ? How can people do without government umbrellas ? How can people do anything without a government worker providing nanny service for the citizens ?

The truth is that if the government got out of health care then the prices would collapse, and it would be affordable for so many people. This is how it is in India. Health care is very inexpensive, because the government does not pay for it. You are not seeing the damage the the US government is doing. It is bankrupting families with these high prices. It is making health care un-affordable.

And as we can see from the projected 110+ trillion Medicare deficit; it will bankrupt the US.

"In India 86 percent of health care is paid out of pocket by individuals". [see source 1]
"Heart Surgery in India for $1,583 Costs $106,385 in U.S." [see source 1]

sources:
1. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-2 ... -u-s-.html


America is not India. And if the US government got out of the healthcare business, just how long do you seriously believe things would even out for Americans to afford medical costs?
And yes, people have and do die without medical care. It's extremely foolish to argue otherwise. Insulin for diabetes is hardly comparable to having an umbrella.


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