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11 Aug 2014, 6:08 am

Phalanges are a classic example of blow back. They have been pretty extreme in the past. But it isn't surprising a resistance, to Arab culture. Especially from Christians and other groups.

Although technically you are Canaanite too. Probably more so in Lebanon.

Canaanite also was a culture like Arab. It influenced Judaism. It fact there a some customs that appear to be left over. Like ritual that some do with chickens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapparot



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11 Aug 2014, 12:10 pm

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I believe Moroccan Jews are Spanish/Sephardic Jews, from the Inquisition. Not certain but I think so.

It is funny that Morraco is sometimes called the middle east when it more west than most of Europe. I call it North Africa.



Well, Carthage extended to Spain, you know.

Some accounts say they came to Morocco in two waves, the second wave were of those from Spain, the first is said they came after the destruction of the first temple, but this is a biblical story.

From wiki about the origin of spanish jews:

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Some associate the country of Tarshish, as mentioned in the books of Jeremiah, Ezekiel, I Kings, Jonah and Romans, with a locale in southern Spain. In generally describing Tyre's empire from west to east, Tarshish is listed first (Ezekiel 27.12?14), and in Jonah 1.3 it is the place to which Jonah sought to flee from the Lord; evidently it represents the westernmost place to which one could sail.

If Tarshish was indeed Spain, Jewish contact with Iberia may date back to the time of Solomon. The relationship would likely have been one based on trade. Ezekiel 27.12 describes such a connection: "Tarshish did business with you out of the abundance of your great wealth; silver, iron, tin, and lead they exchanged with you for your wares", and as much is demonstrated in I Kings 10.22: "For the king had a fleet of ships of Tarshish at sea with the fleet of Hiram. Once every three years the fleet of ships of Tarshish used to come bringing gold, silver, ivory, apes, and peacocks."

The link between Jews and Tarshish is clear. One might speculate that commerce conducted by Jewish emissaries, merchants, craftsmen, or other tradesmen among the Semitic Tyrean Phoenicians might have brought them to Tarshish. Although the notion of Tarshish as Spain is merely based on suggestive material, it leaves open the possibility of a very early, although perhaps limited, Jewish presence in the Iberian Peninsula.

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11 Aug 2014, 6:59 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Tarantella, go check the internet, there are so many many sources of pro Israel, not necessarily religious, who try hard to prove that Palestinians are Arab newcomers to this land, thro history anaylsis rather than genetic, and therefore aren't much native for this land.

But such genetic studies do prove them wrong and prove that Palestinians aren't just Arabs, but are mixture of ancient peoples who lived on this land, Canaanites being the most ancient one.
Arabism was simply the most recent linguistic (and bit genetic) layer.
It's the same case of Lebanese/Syrians; hell our spoken dialect is about 40% Syriac.
But hey, it's not all that bad for you, those studies also strongly indicate that jews are our relatives too; so that prove wrong for those who deny that.

My previous post was a response to the youtube video as well; there's no point in Canaan history where a whole population was totally wiped out and replaced by newcomers and their DNA proves that they are continuum of ancient peoples.


I am talking facts, not conspiracies, so stop belittling my posts.


I'm not saying the above is conspiracy (I actually didn't read most of it.) What I'm saying is: so what? This is not how geopolitics works, it was ours X,000 years ago. That stuff is for propaganda purposes only, for stirring up your base. Now is now.



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11 Aug 2014, 7:23 pm

It would be fair if there were a "two-state" solution with absolute assurance against terrorist attacks against each other. Everyone has a claim of some sort--whether Palestinian, Arab, or Jewish. The Palestinian state has to recognize the right of Israel to exist, and vice versa.



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12 Aug 2014, 1:19 am

tarantella64 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Tarantella, go check the internet, there are so many many sources of pro Israel, not necessarily religious, who try hard to prove that Palestinians are Arab newcomers to this land, thro history anaylsis rather than genetic, and therefore aren't much native for this land.

But such genetic studies do prove them wrong and prove that Palestinians aren't just Arabs, but are mixture of ancient peoples who lived on this land, Canaanites being the most ancient one.
Arabism was simply the most recent linguistic (and bit genetic) layer.
It's the same case of Lebanese/Syrians; hell our spoken dialect is about 40% Syriac.
But hey, it's not all that bad for you, those studies also strongly indicate that jews are our relatives too; so that prove wrong for those who deny that.

My previous post was a response to the youtube video as well; there's no point in Canaan history where a whole population was totally wiped out and replaced by newcomers and their DNA proves that they are continuum of ancient peoples.


I am talking facts, not conspiracies, so stop belittling my posts.


I'm not saying the above is conspiracy (I actually didn't read most of it.) What I'm saying is: so what? This is not how geopolitics works, it was ours X,000 years ago. That stuff is for propaganda purposes only, for stirring up your base. Now is now.


This post lacks clarity. What stuff is for propaganda only? The genetic studies which are done by third parties?? It's the video and all this talk on Israeli websites about how Palestinians are Arab newcomers are all propaganda.


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This is not how geopolitics works, it was ours X,000 years ago.


It was also the for the descendants who always lived on it, who we call today the Palestinians.



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12 Aug 2014, 3:58 am

For one thing, the Jews were never allowed to fire rockets from their ghettos into the Nazis or anyone else. They never left their ghetto with explosive devices attached to their persons in order to detonate in a crowded plaza or on a bus. They never kidnapped Germans only to execute them by beheading only to throw the lifeless corpse on the side of the road for someone else to find. So yeah, I'd say there's some differences between Jews, Palestinians and Nazis.



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12 Aug 2014, 4:17 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
For one thing, the Jews were never allowed to fire rockets from their ghettos into the Nazis or anyone else. They never left their ghetto with explosive devices attached to their persons in order to detonate in a crowded plaza or on a bus. They never kidnapped Germans only to execute them by beheading only to throw the lifeless corpse on the side of the road for someone else to find. So yeah, I'd say there's some differences between Jews, Palestinians and Nazis.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakam

Armed resistance is a natural reaction,

And violence brings more violence, and there are people in every population who are inclined to respond with equal or more violence:
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/789 ... n-germans/


The only real difference for that situation, Ana, that Jews were having way less support there in Germany, almost all of Europe were their enemies, their problem wasn't just Germany. If there were any nearby European countries supporting them for real, then there would have been brigades of armed Jewish resistance against the Nazis but the Jews were alone in all this.

And if they were capable to shoot rockets, they would have done it; so I am not getting your point here.

While the Palestinians initially received a lot of sympathy and support (and mutual exploit but that's another story) from other Arabs and Middle Easterns; hence why they formed armed militias.

You are comparing oranges to apples regarding the circumstances.



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12 Aug 2014, 12:05 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Tarantella, go check the internet, there are so many many sources of pro Israel, not necessarily religious, who try hard to prove that Palestinians are Arab newcomers to this land, thro history anaylsis rather than genetic, and therefore aren't much native for this land.

But such genetic studies do prove them wrong and prove that Palestinians aren't just Arabs, but are mixture of ancient peoples who lived on this land, Canaanites being the most ancient one.
Arabism was simply the most recent linguistic (and bit genetic) layer.
It's the same case of Lebanese/Syrians; hell our spoken dialect is about 40% Syriac.
But hey, it's not all that bad for you, those studies also strongly indicate that jews are our relatives too; so that prove wrong for those who deny that.

My previous post was a response to the youtube video as well; there's no point in Canaan history where a whole population was totally wiped out and replaced by newcomers and their DNA proves that they are continuum of ancient peoples.


I am talking facts, not conspiracies, so stop belittling my posts.


I'm not saying the above is conspiracy (I actually didn't read most of it.) What I'm saying is: so what? This is not how geopolitics works, it was ours X,000 years ago. That stuff is for propaganda purposes only, for stirring up your base. Now is now.


This post lacks clarity. What stuff is for propaganda only? The genetic studies which are done by third parties?? It's the video and all this talk on Israeli websites about how Palestinians are Arab newcomers are all propaganda.



ALL of it is propaganda. We were here first, they were here first, we were here before them, etc. Ancient-claims talk, it's all hooey that's good only for propaganda value, stirring people up to fight. What matters in geopolitics is who's got it now and who can defend it.


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This is not how geopolitics works, it was ours X,000 years ago.


It was also the for the descendants who always lived on it, who we call today the Palestinians.[/quote]

See above. I'm not saying "It was ours X,000 years ago", I'm saying that geopolitics doesn't work via claims of ancient having.



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12 Aug 2014, 12:11 pm

tarantella64 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Tarantella, go check the internet, there are so many many sources of pro Israel, not necessarily religious, who try hard to prove that Palestinians are Arab newcomers to this land, thro history anaylsis rather than genetic, and therefore aren't much native for this land.

But such genetic studies do prove them wrong and prove that Palestinians aren't just Arabs, but are mixture of ancient peoples who lived on this land, Canaanites being the most ancient one.
Arabism was simply the most recent linguistic (and bit genetic) layer.
It's the same case of Lebanese/Syrians; hell our spoken dialect is about 40% Syriac.
But hey, it's not all that bad for you, those studies also strongly indicate that jews are our relatives too; so that prove wrong for those who deny that.

My previous post was a response to the youtube video as well; there's no point in Canaan history where a whole population was totally wiped out and replaced by newcomers and their DNA proves that they are continuum of ancient peoples.


I am talking facts, not conspiracies, so stop belittling my posts.


I'm not saying the above is conspiracy (I actually didn't read most of it.) What I'm saying is: so what? This is not how geopolitics works, it was ours X,000 years ago. That stuff is for propaganda purposes only, for stirring up your base. Now is now.


This post lacks clarity. What stuff is for propaganda only? The genetic studies which are done by third parties?? It's the video and all this talk on Israeli websites about how Palestinians are Arab newcomers are all propaganda.



ALL of it is propaganda. We were here first, they were here first, we were here before them, etc. Ancient-claims talk, it's all hooey that's good only for propaganda value, stirring people up to fight. What matters in geopolitics is who's got it now and who can defend it.


Quote:
This is not how geopolitics works, it was ours X,000 years ago.


It was also the for the descendants who always lived on it, who we call today the Palestinians.


See above. I'm not saying "It was ours X,000 years ago", I'm saying that geopolitics doesn't work via claims of ancient having.[/quote]

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/js ... alalt.html



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12 Aug 2014, 12:37 pm

Mitt Romney has flaws, as does Obama. You dont have to vote for either one. But it doesnt help your cause if you insist that either Obama, or Romney "are no different from Jack-the-Ripper!".

You dont have to like Zionism, but it is not accurate to say that it is "no different from Nazism".

Both Nazism, and Zionism, are forms of nationalism (making a secular religion out of one's own tribe), and the intensification of nationalism in late Nineteenth Centurey European thought. So both are symptoms of the same philosophical disease. But Nazism is the far more malignant manifestation of the two. Both invoke ancient mythology. Both sought land. But wanting to steal a piece of land the size of Jersy is not the same as seeking to enslave a whole continent and its inhabitants.