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09 Aug 2014, 10:05 pm

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World Wide Church of God believes Americans are descended from the lost tribes of Israel.Or they did years ago when Herbert Armstrong was the church leader.They aren't racist,their denomination is made of all different races.


While they might not be racists, they are certainly further along the lunatic fringe than are most fundamentalists. I have a friend who had been raised in that church, and he attributes that experience for driving him to atheism.


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09 Aug 2014, 11:44 pm

I went to one of their services and the preacher said the devil was behind the creation of Doritos.Apparently the devil wants people fat and unhealthy,it actually was an interesting sermon.


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09 Aug 2014, 11:51 pm

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I went to one of their services and the preacher said the devil was behind the creation of Doritos.Apparently the devil wants people fat and unhealthy,it actually was an interesting sermon.


The devil is General Mills?



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09 Aug 2014, 11:55 pm

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The devil is General Mills?


He did tell us that he rode a tank in a general's rank ?



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10 Aug 2014, 12:03 am

This Jacoby person is listening through a socialist paranoia filter. The guy's saying this:

1. We're going to bomb and kill the s**t out of Hamas because that's f*****g enough already.
2. Anyone who wants out of the way while we have a very brief but extremely destructive war -- which is most Palestinians -- we'll help them set up someplace better and safer to wait for the fighting to finish. We'll even provide the tents. (I'm sorry, there's not time to build subdivisions or a row of Hiltons.)
3. You want to stay in a battleground? Up to you. We'll help you rebuild after.

In other words, you're (rightly) upset about civilian casualties? Then you should be delighted by this. The only reason you wouldn't like it is if you were against Israel's destroying a terrorist organization that operates from schools, hospitals, universities, apartment buildings.

Now please point to another country that's actually *willing to pay to move its enemies' civilians out of harm's way during combat*.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:04 am

luanqibazao wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
The devil is General Mills?


He did tell us that he rode a tank in a general's rank ?


that is awesome.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:51 am

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This Jacoby person is listening through a socialist paranoia filter. The guy's saying this:

1. We're going to bomb and kill the sh** out of Hamas because that's f*****g enough already.
2. Anyone who wants out of the way while we have a very brief but extremely destructive war -- which is most Palestinians -- we'll help them set up someplace better and safer to wait for the fighting to finish. We'll even provide the tents. (I'm sorry, there's not time to build subdivisions or a row of Hiltons.)
3. You want to stay in a battleground? Up to you. We'll help you rebuild after.

In other words, you're (rightly) upset about civilian casualties? Then you should be delighted by this. The only reason you wouldn't like it is if you were against Israel's destroying a terrorist organization that operates from schools, hospitals, universities, apartment buildings.

Now please point to another country that's actually *willing to pay to move its enemies' civilians out of harm's way during combat*.


As amusing as someone calling me a paranoid socialist, I think Feiglin's words pretty much speak for themselves really. One doesn't have to be very steeped in history to know what Feiglin's comments and ideas for the solution to the Palestinian problem echo too. They're quite familiar.

Saying that you can just kill them all is a rather poor rationalization for this barbarism. Trying to spin it into something humanitarian is just completely laughable, these Israelis want to raze Gaza to ground and absorb it into the Land of Israel.



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10 Aug 2014, 1:10 am

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One doesn't have to be very steeped in history to know what Feiglin's comments and ideas for the solution to the Palestinian problem echo too. They're quite familiar.

Feiglin spoke of tent encampments, not concentration camps. The latter has a negative connotation since it has been used interchangeably with extermination camps. I doubt Feiglin plans to gas the Palestinians and burn them in ovens.

Just another case of associative imagination.



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10 Aug 2014, 1:44 am

The land belongs to the Jews, try and take it back with force as you will but you will die trying or barely escape death with a grudge and wanting to suicide bomb only to fail at your martyrdom attempt. Also the USA will back up Israel 100% along with the UK![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY[/youtube]


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10 Aug 2014, 2:06 am

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Jacoby wrote:
One doesn't have to be very steeped in history to know what Feiglin's comments and ideas for the solution to the Palestinian problem echo too. They're quite familiar.

Feiglin spoke of tent encampments, not concentration camps. The latter has a negative connotation since it has been used interchangeably with extermination camps. I doubt Feiglin plans to gas the Palestinians and burn them in ovens.

Just another case of associative imagination.


The Nazi's plans weren't to gas the Jews in the beginning either, they just wanted them removed from the "German homeland". They weighed the options of resettling them all to Poland, British Palestine, even Madagascar. There a lot of scary parallels if one looks, I'm not saying that Israel is going to set up death camps but I don't think these Israelis want peace as much as they want total victory.



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10 Aug 2014, 2:40 am

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I'm not saying that Israel is going to set up death camps but I don't think these Israelis want peace as much as they want total victory.

Total victory is probably the only thing that could bring peace, and I am pretty sure the tent encampments are more like refugee camps than extermination camps. I think it is a nice gesture of Israel to offer this kind of humanitarian aid to people who have voted for a terrorist organization hell bent on killing all jews. They don't have to move anyone out of harms way if they are planning on replacing Gaza with a giant parking lot.



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10 Aug 2014, 2:53 am

Jacoby wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
This Jacoby person is listening through a socialist paranoia filter. The guy's saying this:

1. We're going to bomb and kill the sh** out of Hamas because that's f*****g enough already.
2. Anyone who wants out of the way while we have a very brief but extremely destructive war -- which is most Palestinians -- we'll help them set up someplace better and safer to wait for the fighting to finish. We'll even provide the tents. (I'm sorry, there's not time to build subdivisions or a row of Hiltons.)
3. You want to stay in a battleground? Up to you. We'll help you rebuild after.

In other words, you're (rightly) upset about civilian casualties? Then you should be delighted by this. The only reason you wouldn't like it is if you were against Israel's destroying a terrorist organization that operates from schools, hospitals, universities, apartment buildings.

Now please point to another country that's actually *willing to pay to move its enemies' civilians out of harm's way during combat*.


As amusing as someone calling me a paranoid socialist, I think Feiglin's words pretty much speak for themselves really. One doesn't have to be very steeped in history to know what Feiglin's comments and ideas for the solution to the Palestinian problem echo too. They're quite familiar.

Saying that you can just kill them all is a rather poor rationalization for this barbarism. Trying to spin it into something humanitarian is just completely laughable, these Israelis want to raze Gaza to ground and absorb it into the Land of Israel.


Er...rather the long way round, no? They just gave it away not too long ago.
And no, they're not looking to "kill them all". Feiglin is looking to kill Hamas, which I think not unreasonable, given the "death to Israel" and the rockets and tunnels etc. Most Palestinians (I hope) are not Hamas.

Obviously you're not very steeped in history -- not even blanched -- if you're equating moving people out of a battlefield with extermination camps. (And again, long way around. If the aim was to kill them all, there wouldn't be much call for moving defenseless civilians away from the battlefield.)



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10 Aug 2014, 3:01 am

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Jacoby wrote:
I'm not saying that Israel is going to set up death camps but I don't think these Israelis want peace as much as they want total victory.

Total victory is probably the only thing that could bring peace, and I am pretty sure the tent encampments are more like refugee camps than extermination camps. I think it is a nice gesture of Israel to offer this kind of humanitarian aid to people who have voted for a terrorist organization hell bent on killing all jews. They don't have to move anyone out of harms way if they are planning on replacing Gaza with a giant parking lot.


They will help rebuild it afterwards and resettle Palestinians there, but you can bet they'll require background checks and will be quite aggressive about ensuring that new terrorist nodes don't form. After this is repeated a dozen times or so, they'll go back to an international body and say look, we tried the experiment you wanted, and we tried it long after we told you it wasn't going to work, just to make you happy. Would you like to come in and establish a permanent international presence in Gaza, and help calm this thing? And then the international body will, and they'll sit around twiddling thumbs while terrorist stuff goes on, and the Israelis will say, "f*****g amateurs" and go take care of it and scare the international force, ob-la-di. Meanwhile the international force will be, like the Brits, heartily sick of both sides, but recognize that if they had to choose one, jesus f**k it'd be the Israelis. And the entire Arab world will shrug and not even bother saying, "now you know."

Oh, and yeah, not just total victory, but a reasonably nice and sane life once the war's over and Israel and the US are helping to rebuild. Because eventually when these jihadist idiots come back around, if things are being sane and decent at long last, the population will tell them to f**k off. And it'll last a while.



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10 Aug 2014, 3:12 am

Jacoby wrote:
Humanaut wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
One doesn't have to be very steeped in history to know what Feiglin's comments and ideas for the solution to the Palestinian problem echo too. They're quite familiar.

Feiglin spoke of tent encampments, not concentration camps. The latter has a negative connotation since it has been used interchangeably with extermination camps. I doubt Feiglin plans to gas the Palestinians and burn them in ovens.

Just another case of associative imagination.


The Nazi's plans weren't to gas the Jews in the beginning either, they just wanted them removed from the "German homeland". They weighed the options of resettling them all to Poland, British Palestine, even Madagascar. There a lot of scary parallels if one looks, I'm not saying that Israel is going to set up death camps but I don't think these Israelis want peace as much as they want total victory.


ffs. History, read some.

1. The Jews, remarkably enough, were not vowing death to the Kaiser and bombing Germans.
2. The Israelis are not laboring under hundreds of years' worth of virulent anti-Palestinian fairy tales at the heart of their own religious stories.

The Israelis want, reasonably enough, for the guerrillas next door to stop bombing them day/night. Which, regardless of conditions, they've refused to do. Now they're going to go take care of the problem. Sane and neighborly Palestinians want to move back and live there afterwards? Groovy.



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10 Aug 2014, 4:21 am

Israel gets away with murder. It bombs innocents, makes people move out of their houses to make Israeli only settlements and antagonised it's neighbours and it gets away with it every time while if Jordan did this then we'll be talking about invading them and putting the leader on trail for Crimes against humanity.



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10 Aug 2014, 4:49 am

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Israel gets away with murder. It bombs innocents, makes people move out of their houses to make Israeli only settlements and antagonised it's neighbours and it gets away with it every time while if Jordan did this then we'll be talking about invading them and putting the leader on trail for Crimes against humanity.


This sort of thing has been happening in the Muslim world for thirteen centuries since the battle of Karbula. They are quite happy killing themselves, it is just when that vitriol spill overs, and they bite of more than they can chew it is suddenly an issue.

Yes it is not nice their situation but they have to begin to take some responsibility for the situation they are in. They had an opportunity to build a nation in 1947.