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10 Aug 2014, 10:33 am

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The devil is General Mills?


He did tell us that he rode a tank in a general's rank ?


that is awesome.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Made my morning.


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10 Aug 2014, 11:36 am

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Israel gets away with murder. It bombs innocents, makes people move out of their houses to make Israeli only settlements and antagonised it's neighbours and it gets away with it every time while if Jordan did this then we'll be talking about invading them and putting the leader on trail for Crimes against humanity.


I'm reflecting on the irony of your posting this under that particular handle.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:29 pm

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One doesn't have to be very steeped in history to know what Feiglin's comments and ideas for the solution to the Palestinian problem echo too. They're quite familiar.

Feiglin spoke of tent encampments, not concentration camps. The latter has a negative connotation since it has been used interchangeably with extermination camps. I doubt Feiglin plans to gas the Palestinians and burn them in ovens.

Just another case of associative imagination.


The Nazi's plans weren't to gas the Jews in the beginning either, they just wanted them removed from the "German homeland". They weighed the options of resettling them all to Poland, British Palestine, even Madagascar. There a lot of scary parallels if one looks, I'm not saying that Israel is going to set up death camps but I don't think these Israelis want peace as much as they want total victory.


ffs. History, read some.

1. The Jews, remarkably enough, were not vowing death to the Kaiser and bombing Germans.
2. The Israelis are not laboring under hundreds of years' worth of virulent anti-Palestinian fairy tales at the heart of their own religious stories.

The Israelis want, reasonably enough, for the guerrillas next door to stop bombing them day/night. Which, regardless of conditions, they've refused to do. Now they're going to go take care of the problem. Sane and neighborly Palestinians want to move back and live there afterwards? Groovy.


In fact, not only did Jews NOT vow death to the Kaiser and bomb Germany, but German Jews were just as nationalistic as were their German Christian counterparts. That, and many Jewish Americans during the First World War were German Jews who saw themselves as German Americans, and so had some sentimental attachment to the old country, while they were very uncomfortable having the US allied to Czarist Russia, the most violently Antisemitic country of their day.


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10 Aug 2014, 12:38 pm

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Israel gets away with murder. It bombs innocents, makes people move out of their houses to make Israeli only settlements and antagonised it's neighbours and it gets away with it every time while if Jordan did this then we'll be talking about invading them and putting the leader on trail for Crimes against humanity.


Collateral damage is unavoidable, and Israel is trying to minimize it, but Hamas is following a different strategy. So, if you want to charge anyone for crimes against humanity you should probably point in a completely different direction. A 180° adjustment seems about right.

Justice Minister Tzipi Livni presented on Thursday a document in Arabic which explicitly instructs terrorists to deliberately fire at the Israeli army from within places where civilians are present, and thus harm its image. Livni met with the President of the International Committee of the Red Cross and presented him with the guidelines, found in the pocket of a terrorist in Saja'iyya. The page includes clear-cut instructions on how on the proper conduct during battle in order to cause maximum damage to Israel's public image, while using innocent civilians as human shields. Among the recommendations included in the manual, which admits that "the IDF limits the use of ammunition to avoid harming the civilian population," Hamas officials wrote: "The IDF limits the use of fire against civilian population centers ? we recommend to attack from there; shooting from within homes of civilians is in Hamas' interest because it intensifies the hatred against the Israeli army."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 22,00.html



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10 Aug 2014, 12:44 pm

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The land belongs to the Jews, try and take it back with force as you will but you will die trying or barely escape death with a grudge and wanting to suicide bomb only to fail at your martyrdom attempt. Also the USA will back up Israel 100% along with the UK![youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-evIyrrjTTY[/youtube]


Again, this is a very wrong representation and poor comparison to the Israel case, yes it's true that new conquerors wipe out former rulers, but not totally exterminating the whole population! No matter how big the massacres were, when the line of Ptolemy's ruled as pharaohs in Egypt it's not like they have replaced the Egyptians with Greeks, it was the rules who have cope with the ancient egyptians culture to rule them.

Canaanites were not wiped up by Hebrews, they were just culturally assimilated by them and mixed with them, nor were wiped by Ottomans, they were just administratively assimilated (and less culturally) and mixed with few, nor were wiped by the Arabs, they were just culturally assimilated and mixed with them too, and so on...



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10 Aug 2014, 12:46 pm

People who want to exterminate do not hand over large chunks of land next door and baby industries to the people they purportedly want to wipe out. It just does not happen. Please find one incidence of it in the history of mankind.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:51 pm

I was just replying to the video's logic, it's all justification to take Palestinian land; "Hey, it's ok if we Zionists took this land by force, we are not different than the Romans/Greeks/Crusaders/Arabs/Ottomans who took this land before us!" - This is a wrong compassion and I've explained why above.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:53 pm

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People who want to exterminate do not hand over large chunks of land next door and baby industries to the people they purportedly want to wipe out. It just does not happen. Please find one incidence of it in the history of mankind.


And tarantella, you are so naive btw, Israel was forced to hand over whatever; Israel has masters and big players to appease too - it's not Israel's idea, it's not because you Zionist are oh-...such tender nice guys, lol we've told you that a million of times.



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10 Aug 2014, 12:57 pm

What is "bluewashing and pinkwashing"?


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10 Aug 2014, 1:29 pm

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Abstract
The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition.




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Palestinians and Other Middle East and
European People
Palestinians are close to Egyptians, Lebanese, Iranians,
Cretans, Macedonians and Sardinians, and also to
Algerians, Spaniards, French, Italians and Basques
(Table 3, Figures 4, 5, and 6). DRB1 genetic distances
(Table 1) are probably the most reliable ones due to the
higher polymorphism detected in this locus. The western
and eastern Mediteranean populations are intermingled
in this case; it supports the long-standing prehistoric and
historic circum-Mediteranean gene flow [32]. Jews,
Cretans, Egyptians, Iranians, Turks and Armenians are
probably the closest relatives to Palestinians and this
favors the hypothesis that most of the HLA [b]Palestinian
genetic background comes from the Middle East (ancient
Canaan, [6]), ancient stock, i.e.: ancient Canaanites
.[/b]


http://www.stml.net/text/Populations.pdf

How ironic eh?


Also this study debunks the radical Jewish claim that the ancient Canaanites of Palestine were totally exterminated by the Hebrews and therefore the nowadays Palestinians are just descendants of Arabs - hence newer to the land than the Hebrews. Radical Jews and Christians (evangs) falsely insist that there were very few of survivors of the Canaanites, why they do that? Of course because they are stupid zealots who believe everything in the bible and also to make the Palestinians "less indigenous".



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10 Aug 2014, 5:04 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
tarantella64 wrote:
People who want to exterminate do not hand over large chunks of land next door and baby industries to the people they purportedly want to wipe out. It just does not happen. Please find one incidence of it in the history of mankind.


And tarantella, you are so naive btw, Israel was forced to hand over whatever; Israel has masters and big players to appease too - it's not Israel's idea, it's not because you Zionist are oh-...such tender nice guys, lol we've told you that a million of times.


We've been around this track. The Israelis seem to be a dab hand at telling the US to f**k off when the US wants them to do something they judge to be against their own interests. If the intent had been to wipe out Palestinians, they'd have been gone long ago. The intent is not to wipe out Palestinians or deny them a place to live. The intent is to live without a terrorist state next door. This is really not hard to understand unless you're busy dining on conspiracy theories about how the Israelis want to take over the region.



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10 Aug 2014, 5:05 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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The genetic profile of Palestinians has, for the first time, been studied by using human leukocyte antigen (HLA) gene variability and haplotypes. The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times. Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times. This flow overtly contradicts the demic diffusion model of western Mediterranean populations substitution by agriculturalists coming from the Middle East in the Mesolithic-Neolithic transition.




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Palestinians and Other Middle East and
European People
Palestinians are close to Egyptians, Lebanese, Iranians,
Cretans, Macedonians and Sardinians, and also to
Algerians, Spaniards, French, Italians and Basques
(Table 3, Figures 4, 5, and 6). DRB1 genetic distances
(Table 1) are probably the most reliable ones due to the
higher polymorphism detected in this locus. The western
and eastern Mediteranean populations are intermingled
in this case; it supports the long-standing prehistoric and
historic circum-Mediteranean gene flow [32]. Jews,
Cretans, Egyptians, Iranians, Turks and Armenians are
probably the closest relatives to Palestinians and this
favors the hypothesis that most of the HLA [b]Palestinian
genetic background comes from the Middle East (ancient
Canaan, [6]), ancient stock, i.e.: ancient Canaanites
.[/b]


http://www.stml.net/text/Populations.pdf

How ironic eh?


Also this study debunks the radical Jewish claim that the ancient Canaanites of Palestine were totally exterminated by the Hebrews and therefore the nowadays Palestinians are just descendants of Arabs - hence newer to the land than the Hebrews. Radical Jews and Christians (evangs) falsely insist that there were very few of survivors of the Canaanites, why they do that? Of course because they are stupid zealots who believe everything in the bible and also to make the Palestinians "less indigenous".


Who are you even talking to? Are you tuning to your space beams?



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10 Aug 2014, 8:33 pm

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Total victory is probably the only thing that could bring peace


I think that the only thing that could bring peace is for all sides to get so sick of war that peace seems to be the best option. Until then, they are going to keep fighting each other.



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10 Aug 2014, 9:18 pm

Do Palestinians really want to live there? Why don't countries around the world just take a share of the palestinian population as citizens. Problem solved.



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10 Aug 2014, 9:28 pm

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Do Palestinians really want to live there? Why don't countries around the world just take a share of the palestinian population as citizens. Problem solved.


The Palestinians and the Israelis must learn how to get along. Until they do that, nothing is solved.



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10 Aug 2014, 10:10 pm

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Do Palestinians really want to live there? Why don't countries around the world just take a share of the palestinian population as citizens. Problem solved.


Yeah...they've been specifically not anxious to do that since 1967. Brotherhood, and all.