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06 Aug 2014, 6:19 pm

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I'm an agnostic.

It's an appealing idea: the notion that God created evolutionary conditions.

Appealing why? The conditions are simply the existence of elements.


Elements comprised of particles that seek a particular biased outcome by way of forces:

gravitational force
electromagnetic force
strong nuclear force
weak nuclear force

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_interaction

Evolution tells us that the amalgamation of molecules to start life is based on this bias, however, why this bias? Why a life-permitting bias ? Matter has preference, but who gave it preference ?

Chemistry allows for all sorts of complex interactions between atoms, some of it is life, most is not life. I wouldn't say there's any bias to it.



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06 Aug 2014, 7:00 pm

"A chemical bond is an attraction between atoms. This attraction may be seen as the result of different behaviors of the outermost electrons of atoms".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_bond

Thus, elements are biased to combine particularly based on their electromagnetic force, determined based on the position/spin/charge of their electrons.



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07 Aug 2014, 1:20 pm

Religion clearly exploits the Dunning?Kruger effect, ignorance begets confidence.

Remember the past it was a big deal to the Church that the earth was the center of the universe. It was a big deal because the church felt it undermined its authority. Unfortunately the Catholic Church no longer publishes its "List of Prohibited Books" a great way to find out what is good in science. Today the church is denigrating evolution is similar way. The church strongly benefits from the Dunning?Kruger effect here. This resistance to evolution is a clear sign of how important of and idea this is.

Today if one does not have an accurate understanding of celestial mechanics it will have little impact on there employability unless your launching satellites. Evolution is much more important to have a correct understanding. In so many fields of science evolution is a necessary requirement for success.



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07 Aug 2014, 1:53 pm

No, your right, when we bump our crap in our forests, or even cut down our forests, its not evolution when the animals try and adapt, not to mention the ecology.


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07 Aug 2014, 8:23 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
"A chemical bond is an attraction between atoms. This attraction may be seen as the result of different behaviors of the outermost electrons of atoms".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_bond

Thus, elements are biased to combine particularly based on their electromagnetic force, determined based on the position/spin/charge of their electrons.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to prove. You are not using the conventional definition of "biased" here, which implies agency. You also, and again I don't mean to be rude, quite plainly do not know what you are talking about. This is reasonably advanced chemistry that, although it cannot be adequately explained here, is accessed by A Level students in the UK and probably first-year university students in the USA every year. You don't seem to understand the nature of bonding, which is ultimately about stability (though that is quite a glib answer). Elements are no more "biased" to bond in certain ways than you are "biased" to move towards the Earth because of gravity.

I suggest you look up the anthropic principle. Essentially, by definition, any conscious life that exists will realise that its environment is very finely tuned to support it. That's because life evolves to suit its conditions. If it cannot, it dies. There are trillions of planets that cannot support life, but we see one that does and we use that as proof that the Earth has been designed as a home for living things. There are probably many billions of lifeless universes out there, but we point to the one where life evolved as "proof" that the laws of nature are so finely tuned as to be perfect for supporting life.



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07 Aug 2014, 8:48 pm

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Evolution is a theory. T-H-E-O-R-Y. Meaning it can be proven wrong. Meaning it's a guess. Meaning like all theories can be debunked. Yet scientists pontificate about it dogmatically as if it's absolute reality. Why won't they teach the other side? Scientists propound how science is about rationality yet consolidate the field to a select few who parrot dogma and any dissenter is stitgmaitized. There are many theories debunked and evolution isn't inerrant and infallible as to be immune to the rigor of scrutiny and modification. There's no evidence to disprove evolution not being true thus it's not true. There is no evidence that God doesn't exist thus he probably exists. There are many creationist scientists with PHDs who argue against evolution thus there is no scientific consensus regarding evolution. Plus where's the material evidence for evolution? How could a horse come from a fish? How could a bird come from a lizard, a f*****g lizard?? How?? Scientists weren't alive years ago yet act as if they're omniscient and know the past. Seriously science is constantly fluctuating as new evidence comes to light. Evolution is only as good as its time. God said evolution is false and because his word is infallible then evolution isn't true.

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Ok so you don't believe in evolution well how do you explain the hominid fossils that begin to look more human as time goes by until only human fossils remained and the 19th century peppered moths in London changing colour to adapt to the environment that's evolution right there with witnesses.

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08 Aug 2014, 1:49 pm

Here is a current example of evolution in action, that is the spread of beneficial mutations, in this case pig weeds. This example of genetic diversity is realized in the evolution of resistance to herbicides or weed killers.


http://deltafarmpress.com/management/mu ... ns-farmers



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11 Aug 2014, 6:56 am

In science "theory" has a different meaning than its colloquial use, it's a collection of FACTS, not a hypothesis (which would be what you're confusing it with). I suggest you actually study evolutionary theory before trying to refute it, lest you make a complete fool out of yourself. It's clear you don't know much about it.



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11 Aug 2014, 7:19 am

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Evolution is a theory. T-H-E-O-R-Y. Meaning it can be proven wrong. Meaning it's a guess. Meaning like all theories can be debunked. Yet scientists pontificate about it dogmatically as if it's absolute reality. Why won't they teach the other side? Scientists propound how science is about rationality yet consolidate the field to a select few who parrot dogma and any dissenter is stigmatized. There are many theories debunked and evolution isn't inerrant and infallible as to be immune to the rigor of scrutiny and modification.

Evolution isn't a theory, it is a fact (just as a bridge, a tree or a thunderstorm is a fact). Evolution isn't immune to the rigor of scrutiny and modification, either. It just happens to be true, though.

There are several mechanisms of evolution (like group selection, sexual selection, kin selection and reciprocal altruism) that may be considered theories on how evolution takes place, just as there are theories on how on how bridges collapse, trees grow and thunderstorms form.

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There's no evidence to disprove evolution not being true thus it's not true.

Please read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo ... experiment

salad wrote:
There is no evidence that God doesn't exist thus he probably exists.

Please read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

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Plus where's the material evidence for evolution?

Please read this (again):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._coli_lo ... experiment

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How could a horse come from a fish? How could a bird come from a lizard, a f*****g lizard?? How??

Please read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chordata#Taxonomy

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Scientists weren't alive years ago yet act as if they're omniscient and know the past.

Please read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating

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Seriously science is constantly fluctuating as new evidence comes to light. Evolution is only as good as its time. God said evolution is false and because his word is infallible then evolution isn't true.

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Why do people argue with the dynamics of the world God created?
If God cared about us evolving from monkeys he wouldn't have made us that way.
Also, we need to get past arguing with the way God made us. I'm pretty sure evolution is much more impressive, even in theory, as a method to God's madness than two people and a tree.


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11 Aug 2014, 7:23 am

Besides the bible isn't perfect, and it doesn't need to be. If it did, God would have made the first edition himself, with a tape recorder.


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11 Aug 2014, 7:28 am

BritAspie wrote:
salad wrote:
Evolution is a theory. T-H-E-O-R-Y. Meaning it can be proven wrong. Meaning it's a guess. Meaning like all theories can be debunked. Yet scientists pontificate about it dogmatically as if it's absolute reality. Why won't they teach the other side? Scientists propound how science is about rationality yet consolidate the field to a select few who parrot dogma and any dissenter is stitgmaitized. There are many theories debunked and evolution isn't inerrant and infallible as to be immune to the rigor of scrutiny and modification. There's no evidence to disprove evolution not being true thus it's not true. There is no evidence that God doesn't exist thus he probably exists. There are many creationist scientists with PHDs who argue against evolution thus there is no scientific consensus regarding evolution. Plus where's the material evidence for evolution? How could a horse come from a fish? How could a bird come from a lizard, a f*****g lizard?? How?? Scientists weren't alive years ago yet act as if they're omniscient and know the past. Seriously science is constantly fluctuating as new evidence comes to light. Evolution is only as good as its time. God said evolution is false and because his word is infallible then evolution isn't true.

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Ok so you don't believe in evolution well how do you explain the hominid fossils that begin to look more human as time goes by until only human fossils remained and the 19th century peppered moths in London changing colour to adapt to the environment that's evolution right there with witnesses.

I've stopped listening to god when I realised that all the "stuff" he spouts about are all lies. Hail Satan


The only thing Satan ever did different from God was to hate humans. If humans didn't exist, Satan might still love God himself.


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11 Aug 2014, 9:03 am

appletheclown wrote:
The only thing Satan ever did different from God was to hate humans. If humans didn't exist, Satan might still love God himself.



People now days say Satanism is more about freedom of will to pursue desires.

No,

Original Satanism is that of the followers believed god sent Satan to hell as a negative to gods positive, to scare people into following god and to punish those whom fell from gods grace, after all what does man have to fear about hell if there is no one there to punish them.. so Satan never actually fell from gods graces but instead was given a job to do. Satan was not one of hells inmates, but a governor over it. and the original devil worship symbols came out of king Solomon's greater and lesser keys (books) of knowledge that god gave him to speak to the angels above and below, the keys and symbols were not devil created but given by god, which is supportive of their arguments.


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